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【Abundant Living】Interest and No Interest!

2017-02-19 4,842 Y133 Course - Living Abundantly

Success at Every Level Stems from Responsibility

Today, let us talk about interest versus disinterest. Interest is one of life’s great enigmas: if I cannot do something well, I am not interested; if I do it well, I am interested. People ask, What will you do in the future? I will do what interests me. I have rarely seen anyone succeed because of interest alone. I seldom hear of someone succeeding in their career, in the church, or at any level, simply because it was their interest.

Everyone must understand that the Olympic gold medalist who said she used her prehistoric powers – that became the most popular phrase online! Why? Because she did not say it was her interest that led to the gold medal. You must realize that Olympic training is like hell. It is no joke. If you say you are interested, you will never get the gold medal. You approach training with a tenacious, responsible spirit, pushing your body to its limits. It is a challenge to constantly break through physical limits, to overcome oneself. That is why she used prehistoric powers to win the gold medal. She definitely would not say, I was very interested and easily won the gold medal. That is simply not the case.

If you want to reach a certain level, interest alone will never get you there. When I was working at the polytechnic, I often mentored young people, helping them with career planning. One girl told me, I am not interested in this, I am not interested in that. I asked, What are you interested in? She said, I am interested in multimedia. I knew this was an illusion. In fact, she did not even know why she was interested in multimedia; it was just a random thought. She felt she was interested in multimedia, but deep down, she felt it was unreliable.

So, I said, Great, then show me a website you have made. Half a year passed, and the website was still not done. I asked about her website. The website ran away with her interest. Then she said, I am no longer interested in multimedia. I asked, What are you interested in now? She became interested in something else. Ultimately, when you really ask her to deliver, to create something, her interest wanes. In reality, it is an excuse for being irresponsible. Having interest or not is a myth. So, do not ever say, I am interested in this, so I will do it well, or, I am not interested in that, so I will not do it well. Today, if any of you as parents develop your child based solely on their interests, you will ruin that child. Do you believe me?

If you survey elementary school students, asking them, Are you interested in learning? Are you interested in studying? They will all say they are not interested! Then why do they study? Because it is their responsibility. They are students, so studying is their duty. Behind this notion of interest, using Christian terminology, is what we call indulging the flesh. The concept of interest is a carnal desire. Do not think that interest is something special. Are there genuine interests? Yes, some interests are real. But often, it is just an excuse, a myth.

Today, we must break free from this myth of interest. Let me ask you, do you want to earn ten thousand yuan a month? Yes. If you are currently earning three thousand, like Hai Xia mentioned, she used to earn three thousand. She came here for about half a year, a little over half a year, and now earns ten thousand. Is that good? Very good! Do you want to earn twenty thousand a month? Thirty thousand a month? Everyone wants that, right? But if you only pursue money out of interest and have no interest in the work itself, you will not get that money. Today, brothers and sisters, you must begin to understand that our service is absolutely not because we are interested in serving. It is not because we are interested in leading someone in prayer until late at night, is it? It is because we have a sense of responsibility, right?

Break free from the myth of interest. Do not believe in interest, and do not believe in disinterest. I do not know what kind of people you are, but I have found that there are people who will be very successful. What kind of people are they? They are not particularly interested in anything, and they also seem to be interested in everything, without being overly consumed; they just do everything well. These are the remarkable people. Those who constantly talk about interest or disinterest are generally unsuccessful. I have never seen someone who tells you they succeeded because they were interested in something. Those are mostly stories fabricated later.

If you are someone who is neither interested in anything nor obsessed with anything, you should be a very powerful person. When I was in university, my roommates would set up tables in the hallway and play mahjong. I was not interested in playing mahjong. You might say I did not know how to play, but I did. However, I had no interest in it. I found it boring. I also knew how to play Go, but I was not obsessed with it, nor was I interested in it. But later, this became my strength. I do everything according to my responsibilities. I do things not out of interest, but out of duty. You must realize that doing anything involves a considerable degree of boredom and monotony.

Everything is Responsibility, Believe It Is Your Duty, Strive for Excellence as a Character Trait

When an Olympic gold medalist stands on the podium while the national anthem plays, you know that one minute on the stage is the result of ten years of hard work off the stage. Try running ten kilometers around the track with sandbags tied to your legs. Do you think you are interested in that? I believe no one is interested in that. Sweating profusely under the scorching sun – what is that driven by? It is not driven by interest. It is driven by pursuing a goal. Therefore, if a person decides what to do based on interest or disinterest, they cannot be successful. What kind of person can be successful? Someone who sets a goal and runs straight towards it, saying, I want to achieve this goal, I want to win an Olympic gold medal, and I am willing to pay the price.

Today, I want to reshape an education system. This is my goal for the next few years. In previous years, my goal was to build a glorious church. I paid a heavy price for that, but that is okay. So, people who believe in interest or disinterest must break free. I have never seen such people succeed through interest or disinterest. If they are not interested, they do not do it; if they are interested, they do it. Such people generally have no future. Therefore, today, I want to share a very important concept with you: everything is responsibility. Believe it is your duty.

If you are a mother, you know that no one says they raise their children out of interest. If you get tired of raising your child one day, would you just kick them away? Of course not! Do not just look at other people's cute children and happily decide to have one yourself. You will find that it is a life-or-death responsibility. Someone might like children, but if you become a kindergarten teacher, you will find that it is not fun at all. Constantly cleaning up poop, pee, washing bottoms, and so on. Is that fun? Not at all. But it is your responsibility. I believe in responsibility, and I believe that striving for excellence in everything is a character trait. Believe in pursuing excellence, not in interest. Believe that this is my responsibility. I came into this world to live for this, to be born for this, and this is my duty.

If you raise your child well, it is your responsibility, and you will be fine. So, pursuing excellence is a character trait. I increasingly believe, through these testimonies, that the education system I endorse shapes a person's character, and that is crucial. Recently, I saw an article on WeChat about Song Chuan Dao's six children. Who is Song Chuan Dao? Her six children are Soong Mei-ling, Soong Ching-ling, Soong Ai-ling, and T.V. Soong. This Song Chuan Dao must have had deep insights into education, and she spoke about how shaping a child's character is crucial.

Therefore, today, we must begin to pursue excellence as a character trait. Do not start with negativity, give up easily, or think everything is hopeless. That will not work. So, today, pursuing excellence is a character trait. No one would say that pursuing excellence is an interest. Pursuing excellence is a character trait; it is a responsibility. When a person is pursuing this kind of excellence, I tell you, they will pay a heavy price. But what will this heavy price bring? It will bring excellent returns. Therefore, brothers and sisters, you must begin to understand a very important concept: interest is not important; responsibility is important. So, if you ever tell someone, Pastor, I am not interested in this, I am not interested in that, so I do not want to do it! That is worthless. Saying that tells me you are not a successful person. Do you understand?

So, today, those of you who are doing pastoral work, have you heard people say, I do not want to do this, I do not want to do that? Perhaps some of us still have this mentality. I do not want to do this. Can I do that instead? If a person's character is such that they only do what they like and refuse to do what they do not like, they are finished. In a person's lifetime of work, whether it is as a doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer, or anything else, 80% to 90% of it is trivial and annoying work.

I recently bought a book called The Game of Capital. Do you know it? It talks about how Company X went public and made ten million or twenty million. Hearing those numbers is terrifying. We are full of myths about finance, investment, and making money. However, the author of this book says that you only see the glamorous exterior but forget that these people actually pay a very heavy price behind the scenes and do a lot of very trivial things. No job is just a glamorous exterior; behind it, there is hard work and a lot of effort, no matter what you do. For example, we watch modern computer-generated movies. They are good, aren't they? The sound effects are great. Do you know how many people pay a heavy price behind the scenes? That five-minute movie could take a month or two to make. If you are drawing cartoons, you have to draw each frame, one by one. It is no joke.

If you are a content creator, your followers increase one by one. It is no joke. If you are an engineer, you have to meticulously overcome numerous technical problems for a plane to fly into the sky. Otherwise, every flight will crash, right? I once saw ancient training methods for surgeons. What did they use? They used animal bladders filled with air. You had to cut off the right part, but you could not puncture the bladder. Your knife had to cut precisely. You had to cut off what needed to be cut off, but you could not cut off what was not supposed to be cut off. Therefore, today, we must realize that everything behind the scenes is a manifestation of a character that pursues excellence.

If we look at those who eventually climb up and become leaders, not followers, heads, not tails, they actually pay a considerable price behind the scenes. That price is the pursuit of excellence. I cannot speak for others, but personally, I do not like doing things half-heartedly. If you are a Christian, I think you should be a respectable Christian. If you are a doctor, be a respectable doctor. If you are an engineer, be a respectable engineer. Do not be a jack of all trades, master of none. A mediocre doctor can cost lives. A mediocre engineer's designs can cause plane crashes. Anyway, being mediocre in anything is dangerous. If you are a mediocre accountant, that is no joke. You can end up in jail without even knowing how you got there. Your work has legal responsibilities.

Turn Responsibility into Interest

Today, brothers and sisters, do not stay within the realm of interest, because there is no probability of success there. But with responsibility and in the pursuit of excellence, you will definitely embark on a very successful path. (The concept of success is also very vague. We will not talk about success today. One day, I will give you a dedicated sermon on what success is.) Turning responsibility into interest is a very important process. A person who is habitually responsible will make it their habit, and a person who is habitually responsible will make it their interest.

Career Planning

Why has our church started promoting career planning today? It stems from my experience as a manager. I used to be an engineer. I was fascinated by networks, computers, and servers. I was so fascinated that I grasped their essence. After that, computers and networks became easy for me, and I could solve all problems very quickly. Later, I became a boss, and my subordinates could not diagnose network problems as quickly as I could. If a symptom appeared, I would say the problem was definitely here, and when they went to check, the problem was indeed there.

Why? Because I turned responsibility into my interest. When I first started in technology and reached this level, I was promoted to a managerial position. To be honest, I was not interested in management at all. It was boring. You know, after doing technology for a long time, you are not interested in management. It is easier to manage machines. You tell them what to do, and they do it. But try managing people! You tell them what to do, and they do not do it. You assign them work, and they do it poorly. It is very frustrating. I did not like this job for any other reason than the salary. To be honest, engineers and managers definitely have different salaries. A manager who manages twenty engineers will definitely have a higher salary than an engineer, so you could not have made me go back to being an engineer. So, I did something that was very painful for me.

I turned this painful thing into my interest. Why? Because I am a responsible person. I studied. I spent a lot of time researching how to be a good manager, how to be a good leader, and how to build a good team. And after researching, I came up with a result called career planning. For example, if one of my engineers told me, Boss, this job will take a month, if he said he needed a month, then there was nothing I could do. He said what he said, because it all involved technical expertise. Especially when there were problems that no one had the answer to, someone needed to work through them. If he said it would take a month, then it would take a month; if he said it would take two months, then it would take two months.

When I was underneath doing technology work, I was also doing things this way. I was very clear about this. This is mental labor. For physical laborers, there are many ways to manage production line workers: 8 AM to 5 PM, piece work, hourly work, etc. But you cannot manage mental laborers with these methods. They are completely ineffective. What to do? How can you get the things out of their heads?

One day, General Shi told me, “The few people who can successfully put thoughts into other people’s heads and take money out of other people’s pockets are: first, the abbots in temples, and second, pastors.” Actually, I did not do things like this after I became a pastor; I was already doing them before I became a pastor. How could I get the technical personnel to release the abilities inside their heads? So, I developed career planning. Career planning was a tool for me to motivate employees, and as a result, I became very thorough in the matter of career planning.

Motivating People is Key

I had an employee. I said, Xiao Zhang, what do you want to do in the future? Boss, to be honest, I really don't know what to do in the future. I said, if you don't know what you want to do in the future, then what are you doing today? He's definitely an inefficient person. If that person said, Boss, I want to become a very professional talent in networking and software in the future, that would be called having a career development direction. Having a goal would motivate him.

So, whether you are doing management or being a pastor today, you are constantly giving the person hope, a goal, and something to pursue in front of them. When they have a goal and something to pursue, they will naturally release the things inside their heads and do their work well. So, motivating people is key.

So how do you motivate people? It is to give the person a goal, called career planning. Next, you make plans for him. So how did I do it as a manager? I said, So, you want to do this in the future? You are currently earning 3,000 a month doing this. Do you want to earn 7,000 a month? Do you want to earn 10,000 a month? Yes! But people who earn 7,000 have to do this kind of position. Do you want to do it? Yes! So if you want to do this position, how are your current skills? My skills aren't good. So if your skills aren't good, then how can you make your skills good? You need to learn this and learn that. So what if I don't learn? What if what I learn isn't right? So you help me solve a problem, wouldn't you learn these things? So what my logic system eventually does is have the person go back to doing a good job, and, preferably work to doing a good job.

So every time I had a challenging task, everyone would fight to do it, because if I solved this challenging task, it would have a profound impact on my future. I would tell them, if someone invites you to do a high position in the future, I will absolutely be able to write you a letter of recommendation. If my friend needs someone, can can pay him a very good salary, then it’s okay for me to bring him to you, and that, I can look for new people and just train them, right?

Once a person reaches a certain level, you can't keep him. When people achieve the top there is no way to motivate them. I never recruit employees who can 100% satisfy my job requirements. I want to recruit the recruit %60 and the others %40 they want to train an change while working at the Company and being motivated. This is why I became oiled manager. I had the essence of management’s essence is to motivate your employees, release their mind and wisdom in people. This also became my interest later.

Grasping the Essence of Things

A person must transform his responsibilities into his interests, not the other way around where interest precedes responsibility. When responsibility becomes an interest, you will enjoy the work of your hands. Why do you enjoy the work of your hands? Because you have discerned the essential nature of things. If you grasp the essence of how things develop, you will certainly do the job well, and you will certainly be interested in it. This kind of interest is true interest; the kind that is conjured up is false interest, only liking the glamorous appearance without grasping the core essence inside.

Cultivating a Habit of Responsibility

Therefore, brothers and sisters, we must cultivate a habit, a habit of being responsible. Suppose you are responsible for a ministry in the church. When you look for a job in the future, and they need a letter of recommendation, you say, Pastor, can you help me write a letter of recommendation? How can I help you write it? You do the ministry so poorly; you complain about the pressure all the time. Then how can I write for you? I have to write the truth. I have known so-and-so for three years. During these three years, he has been responsible for such-and-such ministry. In this ministry, he is often negative. That's what I would have to write.

But if, on the other hand, you are very proactive and conscientious in your ministry, with a responsible attitude, then I can write, He is very responsible, helping us solve this problem, this problem, this problem... That would be great! He manages our WeChat official account, increasing our followers from zero to ten thousand... And also grew our Weibo followers from zero to ten thousand. In this process, he developed this strategy, this strategy... How does such a recommendation letter sound? Although the closing signature is his pastor, our church is full of substance!

That being said, you carry a large stack of books published by our church, all written by the pastor. When the interviewer sees it, is there any need to ask questions? There is no need to ask anything; it's all in the books. Therefore, brothers and sisters, let us cultivate the habit of turning responsibility into interest. If you are a student, you must turn learning into interest. It is not that you can only learn if you have an interest, but rather that you can only have interest if you learn. That is grasping the essence of things.

Grasping the Essence of Things Leads to Interest

When you grasp the essence of things, you will have interest. For example, yesterday brother XF said to me, A headhunting company called me, saying they would send me information so I could send back my resume, but after the call, they ignored me. They spoke so well over the phone. As soon as I heard this, I asked him what he said. What's your name? Are you married? He answered, Married... Such answers may work. If everyone answers like that, then you may still have a chance, but if some people don't answer like that, then you may have no chance. So, what is the essence of the matter? I asked him, Do you know why the headhunting company didn't contact you? I don't know, he said. I said, I'll tell you why they didn't contact you: because they found someone suitable.

It's like we go to a store to buy something, one store, two stores, three stores. I will be back later, but then I never come back. What happened? I bought it at another store and left. Why come back? Because they found someone suitable. If they find someone suitable, they will not come back to you. We all know roughly how headhunting companies operate. They get a list of twenty names, call three of them. If you are in the top three out of the twenty, they will ask you to send your resume. If you are ranked fourth, they are too lazy to bother with you, or if you are ranked twentieth, they will also ignore you. That is the key. Grasp the essence of the matter, and you will be successful.

So, even when looking for a job, you have to grasp the essence of the matter. Can finding a job be turned into your interest? Not that you have an interest in finding a job, but that you comprehend the essential principles in finding a job. When you comprehend the essential principles, your mind will react very quickly in whatever you do because you understand the essence.

During the Warring States period, there was a man named Shang Yang, who went to the State of Qin, and Duke Xiao of Qin gave him the position of prime minister. Shang Yang had not served several countries before coming; he had not been a prime minister. So, why could he find a position as prime minister as soon as he arrived at Duke Xiao of Qin's court? Because he had grasped the essence of things. So, no matter how you change, you cannot deviate from the essence of society. If you master Newton's three laws, you can calculate the operation of the solar system, and you will know how the earth operates because you know the law of universal gravitation, Newton's laws.

Interest Is Grasping the Essence of Things

What must we learn about what it means to have interest? Interest is about grasping the essence of things, that's what true interest is. Newton was very interested in this thing because he found the essence of things. So today, whenever you grasp the essence of things, you will have interest. That is why later I became a pastor, and the more I do it, the better I feel. Some people say that the most challenging profession in the world is the President of the United States, and then the pastor. I later found out that this is not the case. Why are these people so miserable as pastors? Because they have not grasped the essence of being a pastor. I have grasped the essence of being a pastor; I have grasped the essence of being a manager.

Because I am a person who pursues excellence and constantly studies. Over the past few years, I have continuously studied in depth, studying how to do this thing well. If I am going to do something, I will do it well. I am definitely not just interested, I love everything I do, and I love everything I do to the extreme. I took the measurement drawings myself to measure, and when I went to find the renovation team, they said, Are you in renovation? I said, I'm not. They thought I was in decoration. Because my mind is rarely idle, I think about this all the time, and then I suddenly understand.

Learning to Be a Person Is the Essence

Whether it is work or shepherding, what is it all about? The essence is being a person. Many people do not know how to be a person, and many people do not know how to do things. The essence is that you can be a person. If the boss likes you, won't you find a job? If you don't know how to be a person, can't you learn to be a person? Church work is about teaching people how to be a person. If you think you are doing a good job as a person, show me the results of your being a person. If a person lives to be seventy or eighty and is still poor, then he does not know how to be a person. You see others living to be forty or fifty and becoming more and more prosperous, then they have grasped the essence of being a person.

Learning to Speak

To be a person, you must know how to speak. The state released in the entire process of being a person infects people, and they like you at first glance. If others hate you, what do you do? Doing the essence of being a person, the sum of the law and the knowledge of the prophets is that you should not do to others what you do not want others to do to you. You want others to treat you as you treat others.

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. (Matthew 7:12)

Some people do not succeed in being a person. Where is the problem? The problem is that they think about themselves all day long. They do not consider what others want. If you do not consider what others want, you only consider what you want, then being a person will certainly fail. When I work, I consider what my boss wants, what my customers want, and what my employees want, not what I want. What I want is not important. What is important is what they want. I have to figure out what the recruiter wants. What can I give him? And if I can't give it to him, I have to find a way to give it to him.

Today we come to China, to be a person is to build relationships, if you don't know how to build relationships, what will you do? I do my best in this regard. I will give some things to others, it is not a matter of price, it is being a person. How can you be a pastor if you don't even know how to be a person? If you don't even know how to be a person, how can you be a manager and manage people?

Successful People Have Responsibility, Vision, Dreams, and Goals

I think career planning is not about personality tests, skill training, it is about changing your personality to become the personality of a talent. Everything is training. Training is the foundation.

The church must become a base for training talents, training people's personalities, a base for training people to become talents. That is the foundation. It doesn't matter whether you are interested or not. It is not that I am interested in doing this, and I am not interested in doing that. Because I have this responsibility, a dream, a vision, a goal to pursue, then you will live out prosperity. What I am considering is not whether I am interested in this, but what my God wants from me. I will give an account when I get to my God in the future.

I believe in God, I only have one interest, and that is loving Jesus. I love Jesus and I love him well, and then I have to give an account of what Jesus wants to Jesus in the future. How to give an account? So I began to learn to understand the essence of things. Understanding the essence of things becomes an interest. Then everything you do in your life becomes your interest.

I encourage every brother and sister to turn what you do into your interest. I even clean the toilets to a professional level. It's not that cleaning the toilet is my interest, it's my responsibility. Brothers and sisters, learn to be a person. Learn to do things and the place where you are will be blessed.

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今天咱们来讲“有兴趣没有兴趣,”兴趣这个东西是我们人生最大的一个迷思:我做这个东西做不好,我没有兴趣;我做这个东西做好了我有兴趣。人家问将来你做什么呢?做我有兴趣的东西。我从来没有看见过一个人成功是因为兴趣成功。我很少听到,一个人在职场,在教会当中、在各个层面成功,是因为那是他的兴趣他成功了。 大家一定要知道,奥林匹克拿到金牌的那个女的说我用了我的洪荒之力,结果那成了网络最红的用语啊!为什么,因为她不是说这是我的兴趣,拿到金牌都不是因为她的兴趣。你要知道奥林匹克的训练是魔鬼般的训练。真的不是开玩笑,如果你说我有兴趣你根本拿不到金牌,你是带着那种坚韧不拔的负责任的精神,把你的身体发挥的到极限。那是不断突破身体极限,胜过自己的一种挑战,所以才用了洪荒之力来拿到这个金牌。她绝对不会说,我很有兴趣轻轻松松拿金牌,根本就没这回事。  

所有的东西你如果要想达到那个地方兴趣永远达不到。我在理工学院做工的时候,我经常辅导一些年轻人,经常帮他们做职业策划。有一个女孩她就跟我说:“我对这个没有兴趣,我对那个没有兴趣。”那我说:“你对什么有兴趣呢?”她说:“我对多媒体有兴趣。”我知道这东西是个假象。其实她也不知道她为什么会对多媒体有兴趣,她只是拍脑袋这么拍出来的,她觉着对多媒体有兴趣,其实她觉着这事儿一点也不靠谱。 结果我说那好啊,那你就做一个网站给我看呢,这网站都半年也没做出来。我说你的网站呢。网站跟兴趣一起跑了,那我对多媒体又没兴趣了,那我说你对什么有兴趣呢,我又对什么什么有兴趣,最后还是你真正让她叫号,把东西做出来他就没兴趣了。那实际上是一个不负责任的一个借口。有兴趣没兴趣是一个迷思啊,所以大家千万不要说我对这个东西有兴趣所以我好好做,我对那些东西没兴趣所以不好好做。今天咱们当中那些父母如果你照着那个小孩的兴趣去发展你把这孩子给毁了,你信不信呢?   你找的都是小学生,在他们当中你去做一个问答,你对学习有兴趣吗?你对学习有兴趣吗?都没兴趣!那为什么要学习那是你的责任,你是学生所以你学习那是你的责任。兴趣这个背后我用基督教的术语来说叫做体贴肉体。兴趣这个东西是一个属肉体的邪情私欲啊,大家千万不要以为兴趣是啥,有没有真正有兴趣的,其实也有那种兴趣是真的兴趣,其他的很多都是一个借口,是一个迷思。  

我们今天都要从这个兴趣这种迷思当中走出来。我问你,你想不想一个月赚一万块,想。如果你现在赚三千好像海霞讲的以前三千,她来了半年也就大半年,他问你3000块钱,现在一万了。那好不好,非常好!想不想一个月赚两万,想不想一个月挣三万都想,是不是,但是你想是你如果照着你对钱有兴趣然后你对工作没兴趣,你不可能拿到这个钱。今天咱们弟兄姐妹一定要开始了解一件事情,我们今天的服侍绝对不是因为我有兴趣服侍,不是有兴趣带着一个人祷告到后半夜,都不是吧,都是说我有这个责任,是不是。   从兴趣的迷思里面走出来,那千万不要相信兴趣,也不要相信没有兴趣。我不知道你们是什么样的人,后来我发现有一种人会很有出息,这种人是什么样的人?对什么东西也没有兴趣,对什么东西好像也有兴趣也没兴趣,只要他做的东西就把它做好,这样的人都厉害。那满口都兴趣不兴趣的这些人基本上都没出息,我从来没有看见过一个人,他如果告诉你他是因为他有兴趣所以他成功了什么这些啊,大概都是后来编的故事。   你如果是一个对任何事情都没有兴趣对任何事情都不着迷的一个人,你应该是一个很厉害的人。我在读大学的时候,大学舍友他们在走廊里都只搁着桌子然后就在上面打麻将,我对打麻将没兴趣。你说我不会打我也会打,但是我对那一点兴趣也没有,我就觉得那东西无聊啊。我对下围棋我也会下,但是我对下围棋也不着迷我也没兴趣。但是后来这成了我的优点,我做什么东西都按着我的责任走,我做事情不是照兴趣是照责任。你要知道做什么东西其实都有相当程度的枯燥无味的那种东西。  

你拿奥林匹克金牌站在台上奏国歌,你知道台上一分钟台下十年功,围着操场腿上绑着沙袋儿一跑跑十公里你试试看,你知道你对那东西有兴趣,我相信没有人对这东西有兴趣。那汗流浃背大太阳的晒着,跑那是一种什么呢?他里面不是靠着兴趣来驱动,而是在追求一个目标。所以一个人如果相信兴趣或者相信没有兴趣来决定一个人做什么事情的话,他不可能有出息。那什么样的人有出息呢?就是立好了目标,朝着目标直跑,我要达到这个目标我要拿奥林匹克金牌之至我要为此付上代价。   那今天我想要重新塑造一个教育体系,这是我接下来的这几年的一个目标。那前些年我要建立一个荣耀的教会,那是我的目标,我为此付上很沉重的代价,那没关系。所以这个有兴趣相信兴趣或者相信没有兴趣,这样的人基本都要从里面走出来,我从来没有看见这样的人透过兴趣或者透过没有兴趣来,没有兴趣他就不做,有兴趣的就做,这样的人基本没有任何出息,所以呢今天我想跟大家讲一个非常重要的观念就是凡事都是责任相信这是你的责任。  

做过妈妈的你知道他做妈妈或者做爸爸没有人说因为我有兴趣我养孩子。等你有一天你养孩子养烦的时候你就一脚给他踢开呢那能行吗?请你千万别看人家小孩儿挺好,抱着很开心的我也要一个孩子,会发现其实那是一个很要命的责任是不是。那有个人喜欢小孩儿等你做了幼儿园老师你会发现那一点也不好玩,一会儿拉了、一会尿了、一会洗屁股一会洗啥,好玩吗?一点都不好玩,但是因为那是你的责任。我觉得相信责任,相信凡事追求卓越那是一种性格,相信追求卓越,不要相信兴趣相信这是我的责任,我来到这世上我为此而活我为此而生,然后这是我的责任。   如果你养了孩子把孩子养好是你的责任,你就好办了。所以追求卓越是一种性格,我越来越相信我所透过这些见证,我越来越相信我所认同的这个教育体系塑造人的性格是至关重要。前一段时间我看到一个人发了一篇微信众号的文章是讲宋传道的六个孩子,宋传道是谁呢?宋传道她的六个孩子是宋美龄、宋庆龄、宋霭龄,还有宋子文,他们家六个孩子。这个宋传道他对教育应该有很深刻的醒悟他就讲了塑造孩子的性格是至关重要。  

所以今天咱们要开始追求卓越的这种是一种性格,不要开始一弄就负面、一弄就放弃,一弄就完蛋那哪行。所以今天咱们追求卓越是一种性格,绝对不会说有人对追求卓越是一个兴趣,追求卓越是一种性格是一种责任。当一个人在追求这种卓越的过程当中我告诉你你会负上惨重的代价,那这惨重的代价会换来什么呢,换来卓越的回报。所以今天咱们弟兄姐妹一定要开始了解一个非常重要的观念,就是兴趣不是重要,责任才是重要。所以如果说你将来在跟什么人说牧师我对这个没兴趣我对那个没兴趣,所以我不想做啊!没有出息,讲这句话就是你告诉我我不是一个有出息的人,听明白了吗.   所以今天那个你们做牧养工作的有没有听过,我不想做,我不想做这个,有听过吗。或者我们当中有一些人可能还有这种心态我不想做这个,那我做那个可以不可以。一个人的性格里面,他如果说是都是照着他自己的选择我喜欢做这个我做,不喜欢做那个我不做,你就完了。在一个人一生的工作当中不管是做医生、做律师、做会计,还是做工程师,还做什么。有百分之八九十的是琐碎的非常令人厌烦的工作。  

我最近买了一本书,叫做什么呢?叫做《资本的游戏》,《资本的游戏》你知道吗?某某公司上市结果它赚一千万两千万,听那个数都是很恐怖的数,咱们就是对这个金融啊什么投资啊,赚钱啊这些都充满了迷思啊。结果写这本书的人他说你光看到了那个光鲜的外表你忘了其实这些人在背后,其实都付上极沉重的代价而且做了很多非常琐碎的事情,没有任何一个工作只是做一个光鲜的外表背后全都是辛勤的劳动,都是非常辛苦的劳动,不管你做什么。你说比如说我们看那个现代化的那种电脑合成的电影是吧好看是不是,好看,声音效果那么好你知道背后有多少人付上很沉重的代价。那5分钟的电影那可能是一个月两个月,如果你画动画片那是一幅一幅画出来的,可不是开玩笑啊。   你做网红的粉丝是一个一个增涨上来的那不是开玩笑,如果你做工程师那是很严谨地克服了众多的技术难题那个飞机才能飞上天呢要不然飞一个掉一个,是不是,那做医生的我曾经看过古代这个训练做外科医生拿什么呢?拿那个动物的膀胱吹气泡,然后呢你不能把那个东西割破就是你那个刀刚好割到恰到好处,把那个割下来,你不要把好的东西割坏了,你把该割的割掉不该割的你不能割掉。所以今天咱们要知道所有的东西背后都是一个追求卓越性格的一个体现。   如果我们最后看到的这些人虽然爬上了这个成为居上不居下,作首不作尾的这样的一个人,但他其实背后都是付出相当大的代价那个代价就是追求卓越。那我不敢说别的我想我个人来讲,我觉得我无论做什么我不喜欢做半桶水的东西,如果做基督徒我觉得你应该做一个响当当的基督徒,你做医生你做一个响当当的医生,如果你做工程师做个响当当的工程师啊别整半桶水。半桶水的医生那治病会很要命,那半桶水的工程师你设计的飞机会死人,反正半桶水的啥都很要命。如果你是半桶水的会计那玩意可不是开玩笑,糊里糊涂地能把自己整进监狱里全都不知道怎么整的你们的东西有法律责任。

今天咱们弟兄姐妹无论如何都不要在这个兴趣这个范畴里去走,因为兴趣这个范畴里面没有任何成功的概率。但是带着责任,在追求卓越的过程当中,你一定会开始走上一个很成功的路。(成功的概念也很模糊,我们今天不讲成功,有一天我会给大家专门讲什么叫做成功)把责任变成兴趣是一个非常重要的过程。一个人负责任负惯了就成为他的习惯,负责任负惯了就成为他的兴趣。  

为什么今天咱们教会开始推动职业策划?这是从哪来的呢,是从我做经理来的。我以前是做工程师,我对网络、电脑、服务器,这类技术的问题着迷。我着迷到什么程度呢?我悟出了其中的本质。那我悟出了其中的本质之后,电脑、网络这种东西对我来说都轻而易举,所有的问题到我这儿非常快的解决。后来我做了老板,我的下属判断网络问题还不如我判断的快。如果有一种症状出来,我就说问题肯定在这儿,那么下去一找,果然问题在那。 为什么呢?因为我把责任变成了我的兴趣。我一开始做技术,做到这样一种状态的时候,被升职成了一个管理人员。其实我对管理一点也不感兴趣,很闷。你知道吗?做技术做久了,对管理一点也不感兴趣。管机器好管啊,你让它怎么样它就怎么样。可管人你试试,你让他怎么样他不怎么样啊。你给他安排活之后,他干得不行啊,那是很烦的事。这个工作,我不太喜欢别的,我喜欢这份薪水。说句实话,工程师和经理肯定薪水不一样,经理管二十个工程师,那薪水肯定比工程师要高,所以你让我回去做工程师,我也不肯。所以我做了一件让我很痛苦的事情。  

我把这个痛苦的事情变成我的兴趣,为什么,因为我是一个负责任的人,我研究。我花大量的时间研究如何去做一个好的经理,如何去做一个好的领袖,如何去建造一个好的团队。然后研究来研究去,我研究出来一个结果,叫做职业策划。比如说,我下面的工程师跟我说,“老板这个活得干一个月”,他说需要一个月那你也没什么办法,他说啥是啥,因为都是有技术含量的东西。尤其是大家都没有答案的问题,就需要一些人去攻克。那他说一个月就得一个月,说两个月就得两个月。 以前我在下面做技术的时候我也这么干,我很清楚这件事。这是脑力劳动,体力劳动者早上8点到晚上5点,计工、计件、计时,有很多办法去管这些生产线的工人。但是你管这个脑力劳动者,你用这个办法管不了,完全失效。怎么办呢?怎么能把他们脑袋里的这些东西挖出来呢? 有一天,石总跟我讲一句话:“能够成功地把思想放在人家脑子里,把钱从人家口袋里掏出来的这样人有几种:第一种是庙里的方丈,第二种就是牧师。其实不是我做牧师以后我干这事,而是做牧师之前我就干了这事。我怎么能让技术人员把他脑子里的能力释放出来呢?我就开发了职业策划。职业策划是我激励员工的工具,结果我把职业策划这个事弄的非常的透彻。

我有个员工,我说:“小张,将来想干点啥呀?”“老板不瞒你说,我将来真的不知道要干什么。”我说那你不知道将来要干啥,那你今天在干什么呢?肯定是一个没有效率到人。如果那个人说:“老板,我将来想成为网络、软件这方面的一个非常专业的人才。”这就叫做有职业发展方向。他有了目标就会激励他自己。 那今天不管你是做管理还是做牧师,你都不断的在前面给他一个盼望,给他一个目标,让他去追求。当他有目标、有追求的时候,他自然而然就会把他脑子里的东西释放出来,把工作做好。所以,激励人是关键。 那怎么激励人?就是要给他一个目标,就叫职业策划。接下来你就给他做规划。那我做经理我是怎么做的呢?“你将来要做这个是吧?你现在做的这个一个月挣3000,你想不想一个月挣7000呀,想想一个月挣1万呀?”“想!”“可是挣7000的人得做这样的职位啊,你想不想做?”“想!”“那你想做这个职位,你现在的技能怎么呢?”“技能不行”“那技能不行,那你怎么才能让自己的技能行啊?那你就需要学这个学那个”“那学了也不知道,学的对不呀?”“那你帮我解决问题,你就你不就学到了这些东西了吗?”那我这个逻辑体系就让他最后还是回到要好好干活,而且是自愿的好好干活。

所以我每次有一个挑战的任务,大家都抢着做,因为我如果解决这个挑战的任务,对我的未来产生深远的影响。我跟他们这么讲,如果将来有人请你去做高职位,我给你写推荐信绝对没问题。如果我的朋友需要招一个人,可以付给你一个非常好的薪水,那我把这个机会介绍给你,那也没关系,我可以再找新人,再训练呗。 人一旦到了一个程度,他就留不住了。当他达到了他最顶层的时候,你就没有办法激励他了,所以我从来不招能够百分之百满足我的工作需求的员工,我要招一个满足我工资工作需求60%的,剩下40%,他需要在这里成长,然后成为激励他成长的动力。这就是为什么我后来做经理,我做油了,我挖到了做经理做领导的本质。它的本质就是能够激励你的员工,释放他的脑力,释放他的智力。后来这就成了我的兴趣。

一个人一定要把他的责任变成他的兴趣,不是兴趣变成责任,是先有责任,后有兴趣。当责任成为兴趣,你就享受你手所做的。那为什么会享受你手所做的呢?因为你悟出了事物的发展本质。如果你悟出了事物的发展本质,你一定会把这件事情做好,而且你一定会对这件事情有兴趣。这种兴趣叫做真兴趣,拍脑袋拍出来的那是假兴趣,只喜欢那些光鲜的外表,不喜欢抓住里面的核心本质。  

所以今天咱们弟兄姐妹一定要养成一种习惯,养成一种负责任的习惯。假如,你在教会里负责一个事工,将来你找一个工作的时候,人家需要一个推荐信,你说:“牧师,能不能帮我写一个推荐信?”我怎么帮你写呀?你做事工的时候做的一塌糊涂,一整就抱怨压力,那我帮你写:“我认识某某有三年的时间,在这三年的时间当中,他负责某某事工。在这这个事工当中,他经常的负面。”那你让我怎么写呀?我要写就写实话。 但是如果反过来,你做事工非常的积极认真,有一个负责任的态度。那我写:“他非常负责任,帮助我们解决了这个问题、这个问题、这个问题......”那多好啊!“他经营我们的微信公众号,让我们的粉丝量从零开始一直到一万......微博粉丝量也从零经营到一万。这个过程当中,他开发出了这个策略、这个策略......”那你觉得这样的推荐信听起来怎么样呢?虽然最后的落款是他的牧师,但我们教会有料啊! 那这么说,你拎着一大摞咱们教会出的书,那都是牧师写的。面试的人看了以后那还用问吗,什么话都不用问了,全在书里了。所以今天咱们弟兄姐妹要养成一个把责任变成兴趣的习惯。如果你是一个学生,你要把学习变成兴趣。不是有了兴趣才行学习,而是学习了才有兴趣,这就是抓住了事物的本质。  

当你抓住了事物的本质,你就会有兴趣。比如昨天XF弟兄跟我说:“猎头公司打电话给我,说发给资料给我,然后我好把我的简历发回去,结果打完电话就不理我了,电话里说的可好了。”我一听就问他怎么说的,“你叫什么名,结婚了吗?”“结婚了......”这么回答也行,如果大家都都这么回答,那你可能还有机会,那如果有的人不这么回答,那你可能就没有机会了。那事物的本质是什么呢?我问他:“你知不知道为什么猎头公司不找你了吗?”“我不知道啊,”我说我告诉你人家为什么不找你了,因为人家找到合适的了。 就像咱们去商店里买东西,一家店两家店三家店,我一会回来啊,后来没回来,发生什么事儿了,在别家店买完了走了还回来干啥。是人家找到合适的了。人家如果找到了合适的,那人家就不会再回来找你了。我们都知道猎头公司大概怎么运作,二十个名单,打电话找其中的三个,20个里面排在前三个里面的,我就让他发简历,如果你排第四个人家就懒得理你了,或者你排第二十个人家也懒得理你。这就是关键,抓住这个事物的本质,你就厉害了。 所以就算是找工作,你也得抓事物的本质,能不能把找工作变成你的兴趣,不是有兴趣找工作,而是在找工作时领悟出这里面本质性的规律。当你悟出本质性规律以后你做什么,你的脑袋反应的就非常快,因为你对本质了解。   战国时期有一个商鞅,他到了秦国,秦孝公就给了他一个宰相。商鞅他并没有做过几个国家才来找,他没做过宰相,那他没做过,为什么他到了秦孝公那儿就能找到宰相这样的职位呢?因为他抓住了事物的本质,所以说你千变万化都没有办法离开这个社会的本质。你掌握了牛顿三定律,你就可以计算太阳系的运作,你就知道了地球怎么运作,因为你知道了万有引力定律、牛顿定律。  

我们要学习什么叫做兴趣?兴趣就是抓住事物的本质,这才叫真正的兴趣。牛顿整这个东西他很有兴趣,因为他找到了事物的本质。那今天凡是你抓住了事物的本质,你都会有兴趣的。所以我后来我做牧师,我越做越爽。有人说全世界最挑战的行业就是美国总统,然后就是牧师。我后来发现不是这样。为什么这些人做牧师做的那么痛苦?因为没有抓住做牧师的本质。我抓住了做牧师的本质,我抓住了做经理的本质。 因为我是一个追求卓越,不断研究的人。过去这些年我不断的深入研究,研究如何把这件事情做好。我要做件情,就要把它做好,我绝对不是一个兴趣,我做一样爱一样,我做啥都做的爱得不得了。我拿着测量的图纸自己去量,量完了我去找装修队的时候,他们说:“你是装修的啊?”我说我不是,他以为我是做装修的。因为我的脑袋很少闲着,我每天都在思考这是怎么一回事,然后一下子就悟出来了。  

工作也好,牧养也好,也就这到底是啥呢,本质是做人,有很多人不会做人,有很多人不会做事。本质是你会做人,老板喜欢你你不就找到工作了吗。你如果不会做人你学会做人不就行了吗。教会工作时教导人怎么做人的。如果你觉得你做人还不错,你把你做人的结果给我看,人如果活到七八十,还很穷困潦倒那他不会做人。你看别人活四五十岁却越来越兴盛,他抓住了做人的本质。

做人得会说话,做人整个里面释放出来的状态就感染人让人一看就觉得很喜欢你,如果别人讨厌你这怎么整。做人得本质,律法和先知道理的总纲就是你不希望别人做在你身上的,你就不要做在别人的身上。你希望别人怎么待你,你就怎么待别人。 所以,无论何事,你们愿意人怎样待你们,你们也要怎样待人,因为这就是律法和先知的道理。”(《马太福音》7:12) 有些人做人做的不成功,问题在哪问题是在他整天考虑他自己。他不考虑别人要什么。如果你不考虑别人要什么,你只考虑你自己要什么。做人肯定失败。我做工的时候我都考虑我老板要什么,我的顾客要什么,我的员工要什么,不是我要什么,我要什么不重要。重要的是他们要什么,我得整明白招工的人要啥。我能给他什么。然后我不能给他,我想法设法也得给他。 咱们今天来到中国,做人就是关系,你不会建立关系怎么整。我这方面做的尽量到位。有些东西我就会送给别人,不是价钱的问题,他是做人。做牧师连人都不会做,怎么做牧师。连人都不会做,怎么做经理,去管理人。

我觉着职业策划根本不是性格测试,技能训练,是要修改你的性格,成为一个人才的性格。什么东西都是训练。训练是根本。 教会要成为训练人才的基地,训练人性格,训练人成为人才的基地,这就是根本。跟有兴趣没兴趣没有关系。不是我有兴趣我做这个,我没有兴趣我不做这个。因为我有这个责任有一个梦想,有一个异象,有一个目标去追逐,然后你就活出兴盛。我在考虑的不是我对这个有没有兴趣,我考虑的是我的神要跟我什么。我将来得到我的神那里交账。 我相信神,我只有一个兴趣爱耶稣。我爱耶稣我就好好爱,然后耶稣要什么,将来回耶稣那里我得交账,怎么交账,所以我开始学习了解事物的本质。了解事物的本质就成为有兴趣。然后一生做的事情都成为你的兴趣。 我鼓励每一个弟兄姐妹,把你所做的事情都变成你的兴趣。我打扫厕所都打扫到专业。不是打扫厕所是我的兴趣,那是我的责任。弟兄姐妹学会做人。学会做事你所在的地方就会蒙福。
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