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Introduction

This business of establishing pastoral relationships, it is a truly wondrous thing. There must be relationships between people. If there are no relationships, then when trouble comes, it becomes a big issue. If people are connected, then problems are resolved. The word relationship is powerful. Do you follow me? If your Mandarin is not strong, it might sound confusing. This cannot be directly translated into English; if you do, no relationship becomes having a relationship, which completely confuses people.

We Chinese are very clear about relationships. Our understanding of relationships is second to none in the world. What do Chinese people talk about when they gather? They talk about their connections. You will notice Chinese conversations are like this: Ah, I know such and such a provincial governor; I know such and such a minister... Why? Because they are demonstrating their relationships, and these relationships determine their value.

Christian Faith: Building a Relationship with God

So, our Christian faith is a very interesting one. Why? Because we are establishing a relationship with God. Before He was crucified, our Lord Jesus told us: You must love one another! This love is a relationship. If you and I have a loving relationship, and you make a serious mistake, what happens? I will do everything I can to help you overcome the error, because there is a loving connection between us.

Therefore, brothers and sisters, you must understand that Christian faith must have love. A faith without love is very strange. We know that the Lord Jesus loves us, but in other religions, if someone said, Lao Tzu loves me, or Confucius loves me, it would sound odd, wouldn't it? But in Christianity, when we talk about love, Jesus asked Peter, Do you love me? Peter said, I love you, Lord Jesus. Jesus said, Feed my sheep. That is, pastoring is about establishing a relationship.

So, I tell you, establishing pastoral relationships is a very important topic – speak according to the relationship. For example, in a company, I have superiors, people on my left, on my right, and subordinates. I cannot say to my superior, Go, get me a glass of water! I wouldn’t survive!

Nor can I ask my subordinate, Hey, would you like a glass of water? I cannot do that. That is, the relationship with those above is different from the relationship with those below. You need to have healthy relationships with your colleagues and people in other departments at the same level. As Christians, we must understand that our relationship is a cross – it is very interesting. Above, we establish a relationship with God; below, we establish a relationship with the sheep we pastor; to the left and right, we establish relationships with the brothers and sisters who serve together with us in Jesus Christ.

Pastoring: Establishing a Loving Relationship with the Sheep

So, when we talk about pastoral relationships, we are talking about establishing a relationship with the people we pastor. This is very important. If you are not genuine, I tell you, your service will be very hard. I have a good friend, also a pastor, who followed what I said to build his church, and within a year, the results were remarkable. Every few weeks, he and his colleagues would come to me to learn. And I enjoy sharing with them.

I told them, Pastoring must be genuine. His colleague asked, But being genuine is very tiring! When I heard this, I said, Aren’t you tired raising your children? Yes, you are. If you are tired raising your children, but not genuine in pastoring, then that is the problem. If you just go through the motions today and tomorrow, how will you account for it to Jesus? So, some people say their service is tiring and ask me if I am tired. How can I not be? Service really is hard work, but all the colleagues I have trained are serving wholeheartedly.

I can say frankly, our church must surpass the customer service of multinational corporations. Why? Because we are a heavenly enterprise, and our boss is the Lord Jesus. If you do not do as well as worldly companies, how will you account for it to the Lord Jesus? So, our church must surpass worldly enterprises. How can a heavenly enterprise not do better than earthly ones?

Here is a sad story. A sister, suffering from depression, opened the directory of Singaporean churches and called them one by one. Either the phone did not connect, or they gave nonsensical replies. They would say, Hello, ah, you have problems? Come to the service on Sunday. If you call a hospital, how would they respond? They would say, Come quickly, we have an emergency room.

So, we think that in this day and age, the church really needs transformation. How did the Apostle Paul establish churches? It was weeping with those who weep! Do you understand? That is, a loving relationship. If the other person feels pain, you also feel pain. You cannot say that if your finger is cut, your toe does not hurt, or if your toe is cut, your finger does not feel it. The whole body feels the pain!

So, we are a loving body; that is, in the process of serving, whether we can pass on God's love depends entirely on pastoral relationships. Some might say, How come I cannot find you? I will also be frank with you. How many people can I directly serve? How many people could Jesus directly serve? Jesus told his disciples, You will do the things I have done, and you will do even greater things. Why? Because Jesus trained twelve disciples, and those twelve would then train twelve, and so on. That would be incredible.

Pastoral Care Arises from Establishing Pastoral Relationships

Therefore, I have a fervent hope that those I train can serve according to my model of service or according to the biblical model, and that they can establish a loving relationship with those they pastor. However, there is also a challenge: we want to establish such loving relationships, but our warm faces often meet cold behinds. Today we meet a cold behind, tomorrow another. People say, Who asked you to pastor me? When did I ask you to pastor me? Then we don’t pastor.

So, our church has a characteristic: if you do not need me to pastor you, then I will not. Isn't that right? We establish pastoral relationships, and a relationship has two sides. If your side is a cold behind, then my warm face is wasted. If you want us to pastor you, we will pastor you well. But my hope is that those we train will all have the heart of a parent in pastoring God's flock.

In my opinion, I truly feel for my colleagues. Why? Because in the process of serving, they really use all their heart and soul. Do some slack off? Actually, being a pastor is a bit challenging. There are two jobs in the world where it is easy to be lazy: the first is a pastor, and the second is a teacher. They are all conscience jobs. You can work until you die and still be the same, or you can just go through the motions. That is why many churches are still doing quite well today. Is there any pastoring? No pastoring, but they are still doing fine.

But what does our church need? It needs people who love God, who are willing to offer themselves for God, and who are willing to pastor God's flock with the destiny God has given us. To love the Lord our God with all our heart, all our soul, and all our strength – this is my deepest hope. So, surpassing worldly customer service is not difficult. Our colleagues are really quite good; they are all putting their hearts into pastoral work.

Establishing pastoral relationships is crucial. If I do not have a pastoral relationship with you, I might say, Sister, hello; Sister, peace be with you! If you ask, Can you pray for me? I might say, Sure, I’ll pray for you later. But when later comes, what will I pray for? Never mind. That is because I do not have a pastoral relationship with you. But if you and I have a pastoral relationship, I would say, Pray what? Pray later what?! Come! Let’s pray together!

So, it is different. Some people do not understand, When I first came to church, you treated me one way; why do you treat me differently now? Why do you speak to me like that? The previous way was fake; now I am being genuine, is that not okay? If you have bad habits, they must be dealt with. Why doesn’t my father beat the neighbor’s child? The neighbor’s child not going to school has nothing to do with my father. But if I skip school and come home, my father would yell bang, bang, bang and spank me hard, making me scream. Is that the same? After being beaten, I knew I had to study hard. Who would beat someone else's child for no reason? Whatever, right?

So, brothers and sisters, begin to understand this: pastoral care arises from establishing pastoral relationships. I used to know some pastors who said, You're doing internet church is no good; there's no physical contact. I wanted to see what this physical contact was all about. He asked me to come and learn from them. To build a big church, I had to learn, so I went. That church had a thousand people, sometimes ten thousand.

The pastor said, Turn to the person next to you and say, ‘Jesus loves you, and I love you too.’ So, I turned and said, Jesus loves you, and I love you too! After saying it, I wondered, what is this for? I love him, but I do not even know who he is. After the service, everyone left, and the next time we meet, who will they be? Are they the son of the Zhang family, or the prince of the Li family? It is not clear.

Later, one day, when I was preaching in church, it was still a physical church. I said to the brothers and sisters, Turn to the person next to you and say, ‘Jesus loves you, and I love you too!’ In a small church of forty or fifty people, that is fine, everyone knows each other. But in a large church of four or five thousand people, who knows anyone? People think that if a thousand people sit in rows of chairs, they are loving each other, but they do not care about your problems, and you do not care about their problems. What kind of loving relationship is that?

Building a Pastoral Church of Mutual Love

Brothers and sisters must understand that building a church must be about building a church of mutual love: connecting in love above with our Lord Jesus or our pastors, connecting in love to the left and right with our colleagues, and connecting in love below with the sheep we pastor. With a loving connection, then the Lord Jesus will dwell among us. But if we are building a club, where I buy your insurance and you bring me some business deals, can the Lord Jesus be in our midst? No, He cannot.

Many churches today are gathering-type churches, but later I read the Bible and discovered that the Lord Jesus's intention was not to build a gathering church. Suddenly, fifty thousand people pour into a stadium, but what relationship do you have with the person next to you? One day I went to give out books, and when the gathering of fifty thousand people ended, the crowd surged out, with everyone’s faces completely numb. I stood there and shouted, Free books, free books... My warm face met so many cold behinds, because I had no relationship with them.

So, brothers and sisters, you must understand one thing: a physical church is not necessarily a real thing; it pursues the scene and atmosphere. But their atmosphere cannot compare with many concerts; those colored glow sticks are so beautiful! But is that what God wants? I do not think so. Actually, the earliest churches were house gatherings, with just a few people, a dozen, or twenty gathering in homes, without crosses or anything else. But there was one thing that cannot be compared with today: their church was called mutual love, and so the Lord Jesus was clearly among them.

We want to build a pastoral church, and the Lord Jesus will be clearly in our midst. So, brothers and sisters, readjust the concepts in our hearts. Do you have a correct view of the church? Some big cathedral, you do not know me, I do not know you – that is not very useful.

In our church, the pastors and their sheep have much to say to each other almost every week, or even every day. Some brothers and sisters have no real-life connection with us; they met us online, and then we began to pastor them. After pastoring them for a while, when they meet us, it is like meeting an old friend they have known for many years. Although they have never met before, they are very familiar, knowing what kind of person they are, their situation, their problems, and where they need to improve.

Whenever I speak or eat with those within my pastoral care, I always talk about where they need to change, where they need to grow, and where they need to break through. I have prepared these points in advance, and when we meet, we talk about these things. I do not want to gossip like some busybodies. What is a busybody? It is not just someone who has reached a certain age. Some people have not even reached that age, and they are already gossiping and blathering, saying things that do not edify anyone.

So, brothers and sisters, why do we call it pastoring? Because it edifies people. Let us do more things that edify people, and let us do more things that benefit people. So, brothers and sisters must understand that many people think that a place with a cross hanging on it, where people line up to sing hymns, is a church. But is that a church? Brothers and sisters must understand that the Lord Jesus does not dwell in our shouting or in our sermons. Where does the Lord Jesus dwell? He dwells in our mutual, loving, pastoral relationships.

I think what I am saying may be sharp, but if you ask me if the Bible says this, I can say with confidence that the Bible really does say this. If you do not believe it, go and read the Gospel of John carefully. God dwells in our mutual loving relationships. Understood? Not in superficial relationships.

Speaking of this, I have many stories. One day I went to discuss a robotics deal and met a friend I had known for over twenty years. After exchanging a few pleasantries, we started talking business. He asked me how things were, and I said, Very good. I am very happy. You would not understand; I am pastoring a church. Then I talked about pastoring, and he revealed a very surprised expression.

He shared that he has four children. I asked him how his children were, and he said, My eldest son has autism. He finished junior high school but did not pass the high school entrance exam. He went to a polytechnic, or a vocational school of some sort. After graduating, he could not work and developed autism. He has been a Christian for over thirty years, and was very zealous when he was young, but what happened after his child developed autism? No one cared about this issue. I said directly, This is a demon. Deliverance is effective.

We had a child’s mother in our church whose child was twenty years old, the type who thinks five plus four equals eight. The child muddled through elementary school and muddled through middle school. But what would happen in the future? That mother cried for a long time. But under our pastoral care, the child is now able to earn a living. Of course, there are many stories in between.

What kind of money did this child earn before? The child did not even know how to spend money. When paying for something, the child would take all the money out of their pocket and let the vendor take what they wanted. When buying a bottle of water, the child would not know how much the vendor took; they would just take whatever they wanted, and put the rest back in their pocket. The child could not count at all. That mother shed countless tears. Now that mother is so happy, and she is pastoring God’s flock with me. I think this is very exciting.

The sad thing is that the sheep are not being pastored, and the pastors do not care about their problems. They think this is normal, and these churches are normal. The pastors are so busy. The most surprising thing to me is that in this generation, they do not do what Jesus did, and they do a bunch of things that Jesus did not do. I am really surprised. Imagine how surprised God must be on His throne in heaven? Is this still a church?

God Dwells in Our Relationships of Mutual Love

A good friend of mine came to learn from me how to build a church. He told me about a couple, both long-time Christians, whose wife developed a serious and strange illness. She could not speak. Her husband went to that church, and the pastor told him to accept reality; this is what God arranged for your wife. God arranged this? I did not know that was in the Bible. If God said to that pastor, I will arrange something for you too, what would you think? Many pastors bring many curses upon themselves by speaking nonsense and talking irresponsibly, so do not speak nonsense.

Brothers and sisters listening to me, if you are a pastor, then I advise you today to read the Bible carefully. Say what the Bible says, and do not speak nonsense about what is not in the Bible. Reading the Bible requires diligence! The Bible says you must diligently observe His commands, not just casually observe them, right?

Brothers and sisters, we cannot be casual about believing in the Lord. There are also different levels of Christians. In this world, people are divided into three categories: the lowest are the Christians who do not diligently obey God’s word; in the middle are the worldly people; and at the top are the Christians who diligently obey God’s word. This is true. If you do not diligently obey as a Christian, then you are not even as good as worldly people. What should we diligently obey? Diligently obey God's words!

God tells us to love Him! Brothers and sisters must understand that what I say really comes from the Bible. If anyone does not love God, that person is accursed and condemned. This is serious! Do you really love God? If you do not love God, that person is accursed and condemned! You believe in Jesus, but you do not love Jesus. Where else would you be but at the bottom? Right? You will be trampled under the feet of the world, the feet of the devil, and the feet of everyone. How can you live like that?

If you want to be a Christian, take my advice and be a top-notch Christian! If you are an engineer, be a top-notch engineer; if you are a doctor, be a top-notch doctor; if you are a teacher, be a top-notch teacher. The teaching and pastoral professions require integrity, so many people do things haphazardly. It is not like doing IT, where if you write a software program that does not work, you will know immediately. But with pastoring, whether you pastor diligently, casually, or not at all, the difference may not be that great. As a result, many Christians just take it easy.

Brothers and sisters must understand that God dwells in our mutual loving relationships. You will find that your pastor cares about your problems more than you do. If you feel they do not care, perhaps they are testing you. Brothers and sisters, observe carefully. We know there are many churches, and many people like to hop around to different churches, and many people like to run to all kinds of special events. Why do people run to special events? What is the use of that? I find it strange.

There was a sister whose mother had cancer. I took her mother to pray, and because the church was small at that time, I served her well with all my heart and strength. She thought it was good for her mother to pray with me, so she came to me and asked if I could pray for her. I said no problem. I knew her pastor; her pastor was very familiar with me, and I had prayed for her pastor’s illness and healed him. This sister had been suffering from migraines since she was a teenager. It had been painful and unbearable for nearly forty years, but no one cared. I prayed for her, and she was healed in five minutes.

She said to me, Can I ask you a question? I said, Ask anything. She said, I have been to so many special events, and anointed pastors have prayed for me, but I was not healed. Why was I healed by you? This question is really a good question. I have a habit that if your problem comes to me, then I will take it seriously and I will not give up until it is resolved. Unless you do not let me manage it, then I have nothing to do with you, but if you come to me and I agree to help, then I will manage it to the end.

If you came to me and the problem is not yet resolved, then it is my responsibility. Why? Because this is called a mutual loving relationship. Because I pastor her mother, how can I not care about her mother's children? Right? I have to care. If you are not well, then I will continue to take you to pray. If you are still not well, then I will thoroughly deal with the bad habits on you, because you are suffering from curses, serious curses.

God is a God full of grace! I tell you, Christians who have been chronically ill for many years really need to be careful. Why? Because it is all a violation of God's words. Then we need to begin to understand one thing: what exactly is God’s will? God’s will is for us to pastor His flock. Occasionally, some sheep from other churches sneak in, and we give them plenty to eat, and then they do not leave.

Their pastors come to me and say, Why are you stealing my sheep? I say, No, your sheep came in to eat my grass. Then why did you keep them? I said, After they have fattened up, they cannot get out. Because we have a lot of spiritual food here! You cannot finish listening to all the recordings on our website in a year or two. Moreover, among us, if you really have problems, whether it is me or those I have trained, they will treat your problems as their own!

Shepherding God’s Flock with the Heart of a Father and Mother

A pastor who established his church ten years before me had his mother come to me. Why? Because his mother had been suffering from insomnia for twenty years, and it was not getting any better. His mother said to me: Oh, my son, it is better if he does not pray for me. When he prays for me, my medication dosage doubles, and it has already quadrupled. I said, Okay, since this matter has come into my hands, I will take it seriously and continue to help her until she is completely well. To this day, every now and then, I will ask her about her health. Some time ago, she said, Can I buy a book? I said, It's okay, I'll give it to you. So I gave her a copy of my book.

So, brothers and sisters, do you know what this is? This is the mentality of shepherding. You may feel tired in the process of shepherding, but in reality, everyone is tired. My mother raised five children. If you ask her if she was tired, she would say she was extremely tired, to the point of death. In those days, splitting firewood, burning coal, and cooking meals in the morning were all very hard. Whoever is tired knows it. Can shepherding not be tiring? The real question is: because the love of Jesus Christ motivates us, we strive to run the race, in order to please God. If we love playing computer games, I ask you, will you be tired playing computer games? You will not be tired. If we love playing mahjong, will we be tired? We will not be tired. If I love Jesus, can I be tired from shepherding? Then I will not be tired.

When the illness of the sheep God has entrusted to you is healed, your tears will flow down. Why? Because you have been hoping for their healing every day, hoping for them to come out of bondage. This joy, truly, there is nothing that can compare to it. If you ask me what satisfies me the most, it is seeing brothers and sisters being set free. When I see brothers and sisters able to overcome, when I see brothers and sisters able to be released from the oppression of the devil, and their problems are solved, my tears come out.

Why? Because I look forward to it every day. Although I don't say it, I continue to serve, watching them about to be healed, and I am very thankful to God in my heart. What in the world is better than shepherding God's flock? There is nothing! The rewards of shepherding God's sheep are extremely rich, so brothers and sisters must begin to rise up!

In this generation, when it comes to shepherding, there are many things that can be troubling. Once, I learned that a pastor's wife had cancer, and I very much wanted to help them, because I have a warm heart and have ministered to many people with cancer who have been healed. So I sent a message saying, This is my phone number. If you need prayer, I can pray with your loved one.

As a result, they gave me one word: Thanks. When I saw the word thanks, I saw the subtext. Not discerning good and evil, but I could hear what it meant. It meant: Forget it, get out of here. Because he didn't believe that there were pastors like me in this world. He believed that all shepherding was his kind of shepherding.

Many people ask me: Do everyone who comes to you get healed? When I hear this, it sounds like what the devil said in Genesis. Is it true that all the fruit of the trees can be eaten? It has about that flavor. I said, Yes, everyone gets healed. Why? Because if they are not healed when they come to me, then I will get serious about it and continue until they are healed.

When my mother had Alzheimer's disease two years ago, what was she like? But now, she can work with me. Although ghosts still come often, what does it matter if they come? When they come, I will drive them away. Recently, she made a lot of chive boxes, which is pretty impressive. She is eighty-six years old, but she is very nimble when she works, very good, walking strong. If it were not for our shepherding, could my mother have made it to today? She would not have made it!

Our shepherding is truly serious, so the devil cannot succeed. So, pastors among us, when you listen to me, you also begin to set your mind on it. In front of the sheep God has entrusted to you, you must rely on the Lord Jesus to overcome, and feed these sheep into healthy sheep. Those who are being shepherded among us must also desire to rise up. How we serve you today is how you will serve others in the future. God's blessings last for thousands of generations. We have a consistent tradition here, passed down from generation to generation.

I am very surprised by one thing. For example, when I see a message about someone being sick in a group, many people will type in the group: I will pray for you! Then the sick person says, Thank you! But did they really pray? I don't know. Did they not pray? I don't know either. Anyway, it's easy to type a word. They will pray for you during mealtime prayers, and as for whether you are healed or not, they don't really feel anything.

Brothers and sisters, we must begin to know that to serve God, we must be serious, and we must be serious. What does the Apostle Paul say in the Bible? He says that you may have ten thousand instructors, but not many fathers. Can we serve with the heart of a father and mother? Only with the heart of a father and mother can God dwell among us, because that is love. Parents are tired from raising children, but they are willing to be tired, aren't they? So Jesus said, The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

We must begin to understand one thing: not only is Jesus himself a good shepherd, but Jesus also wants us to be good shepherds before him. Why did Jesus ask Peter, Do you love me? Feed my sheep? Because God has a desire in us, which is that the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. But where are those who lay down their lives for the sheep? I think God on his throne is also very surprised.

Many of us do not understand why God wants us to shepherd. Because this is called walking with God. There is nothing in this world better than walking with God. If we cannot walk with God, then what are we living for in this world? How will we give an account to God in the future?

Then, without us, will God not be able to shepherd? No, even without us, God will still shepherd, and God's plan will still be accomplished. But why does God let us shepherd? Because God wants us to receive rewards. Actually, God doesn't really need us. We were not there when God created the universe, but God is willing to let us walk with him and work with him.

If people are really willing to work with God, then God is also willing to work with them. Isn't this the most beautiful thing in the world? Working with God is what makes us grow. When people believe in the Lord, where do they believe to? You have to believe to grow up to maturity, full of the stature of Jesus Christ, don't you? Then how can you grow up to maturity? For example, if you say your child can run errands, then that means your child has grown up. Then, when they grow up a little more, they can do bigger jobs, right?

Then how can we grow to the full stature of Jesus? Isn't it growing in service? So, brothers and sisters, we must know that it is not because service needs you, but because you need service. Why? Because if you don't serve, you cannot grow. If you cannot grow, you cannot have joy, and then you will live in vain. If you don't want to live in vain, don't want to live blindly, don't want to live a wretched life, if you want to live out the glory of God, then there is only one way, the path of service.

Then what is service? It is shepherding. Then some people say, I am a free evangelist. What is a free evangelist? I don't quite understand. This free evangelist goes on stage to preach, and then goes home with his bag, with no responsibility for shepherding. In my mind, without shepherding, just preaching is just fooling around, isn't it? Isn't that being a rogue? Why? Because you have no shepherding, you don't need to take any responsibility.

You may have ten thousand instructors, but not many fathers. God wants us to love one another. God is not asking us to just preach to each other, is He? God wants us to love one another. How do we love each other? We love each other in shepherding. You have your shepherd, I have my shepherd, and then everyone is connected into one body in Jesus Christ. Then God dwells among us, and then we have this state of unity and victory in Jesus Christ, we can trample on the devil and the enemy, and then we see the glory of God, and God clearly dwells among us.

Many people choose to be pastors as a profession, which is a tragedy. It is not only a tragedy for the church of Jesus Christ, but also a tragedy for themselves. Why? They don't love God, but they still have to serve. Oh, what could be more tragic than this?

I once ministered to a senior pastor with hydrocephalus. Actually, I didn't want to minister to him, but his good friend insisted that I minister to him. When I asked him, I said, How did you get this disease? He said, You see, we pastors can only rest one day a week. Then how many days do you want to rest? I am very surprised. I have not rested a day since I was in my twenties. There is no time to rest. After shepherding, I am tired, so I do some decoration, do some carpentry. When I am tired from carpentry, I continue to shepherd.

So they ask me, How many hours do you sleep a day? I sleep any number of hours, three, four, five. Some people take sleeping very seriously. You see, I only slept three hours yesterday. I said, You slept three hours yesterday, that's much better than me. I only slept one hour. Oh, I can never compare to you. I said, Don't compare to me. Sleeping is not important. What's important is what we have accomplished. Brothers and sisters, begin to come out of this delusion.

As a result, that pastor said to me, You see how hard we work. We can only rest one day a week. You see, our church's cell group leaders have to be replaced every three years. Every time a cell group leader steps down, we have to fill in, which is very hard. I said, Why is this happening? He said, You see, that cell group leader comes to church on Sundays, has to go to training once a week, and has to lead the cell group once a week. Three times a week, can they rest for a year? They will definitely be burned out and exhausted.

But where in the Bible did I read about this? Paul served to that extent, but I didn’t see him get sick. Later, this pastor got hydrocephalus and asked me to minister to him. When he wanted to work, he would sleep. When he wanted to sleep, he couldn't fall asleep. This was painful. So, if a person does not love God and still has to support serving God, it is too hard. Can they not be tired?

You see I am being very real, right? Why can't so many people in this world understand God's will? Is it true? Okay! We don't serve God. If we don't serve God, what do we do? We live and then die, right? Isn't that also very hard? If you don't serve, yes, you save time, but what do you do when the disease comes? Not to mention anything else, just your family's elderly with Alzheimer's disease will consume all your energy, right? But our family's Alzheimer's disease is cured. So what should you do with your family's Alzheimer's disease? If God does not walk with you, how will you live this life? Is it true?

Seriously Shepherding God’s Flock

Therefore, brothers and sisters, you must know one thing in this world. We must walk in God's will. There is nothing in this world better than walking with God. Sometimes, we may be very surprised when we read the Old Testament. Three million Israelites, with their families, no cars, all their belongings on their shoulders, settled down and slept for one night, and then God said, Set off! Wow, then they had to pack up their tents, and then carry them on their backs. Some children also pooed and pee. Then they carried one in their arms and led one by the hand, walking in the wilderness. I tell you, if I lived in that era, I would be very painful, walking and walking without water to drink, and the children cried and made noise, very hard, right?

I don't understand, what's so good about walking? If I were among the Israelites, I would complain like the Israelites, walking reluctantly. But there is no choice. If you don't walk, you stay behind. People are walking. You can stay behind. Then three million people have left. If you stay behind alone, tigers, wolves, and snakes will come. You play by yourself! See where you can play. There is no way, you still have to walk. Walk! Oh, hard, very hard!

Later, I slowly understood a truth, what truth did I understand? In fact, this is military training! If you are well trained in the wilderness, you can enter the Promised Land and defeat the enemy! Is it true? If you are not trained, you will go in to die. You say you believe in God, then believing in God must be truly smart, to understand God's will, is it true?

If you read the Old Testament carefully, we have also said before, only those over 20 years old who can wield a knife to fight are counted, others are not counted. That is to say, you must be able to fight to enter the Promised Land! God fights for you to win, but you can't wear big shorts, put on a pair of slippers, take a big flower fan, and stroll in leisurely. You think you are playing?

So I tell you, Christians in this world who want to live in the will of Jesus Christ will indeed have some hardships. We serve and pay a high price. Sometimes we lack nothing, just sleep. We work very hard and really want to rest. It's not lying to say we are not tired, we are definitely tired. But if we don't train, don't fight, how can we gain the Promised Land? And how can we claim God's promises? Even if we don't do this, we live according to the way of the world, that is even harder!

Brothers and sisters, you must know that I am not stupid. I have seen clearly one thing. Anyway, people come into this world and are quite hard, but according to the hardship of the world, there is actually no glory to speak of. But in the Lord Jesus Christ, serving with all our heart and all our strength, shepherding with all our heart and all our strength, God will surely prepare a glorious crown for us in eternity.

In the future, when we come before the Lord Jesus, we can say with confidence: God, I have come. God says, Well done, good and faithful servant. Enter into the joy of your master. Anyway, I have seen through it. You can't love the things of the world. If you love them, you have to pay the price. When you come out to play, you have to pay the price. There is a saying that when you come out to play, you have to pay it back. If you are also fooling around in Jesus Christ, then you have to pay it back, right? Is it true!

So we are seriously shepherding God's flock. Although it is very hard, it is very prosperous! God is with us! Although we often feel very hard in our hearts and shed tears, the satisfaction of seeing brothers and sisters being released cannot be replaced by anything. Anyway, there is no hope in this world. I have seen clearly one thing. People live in this world, but they just live and then die. Either they live and then die, or they live and then enter eternal life. Either way it is hard, so let's choose a better way to be hard!

So, brothers and sisters, we must begin to know that establishing a shepherding relationship is a hard thing. Establishing a shepherding relationship is to be serious. So whenever I see people in the pastor business, I say to be serious! Why? Because I have seen too many fakes, first send a message: I will pray for you, and then turn around and do whatever they want.

Another thing is that in the process of our shepherding, if we want to see a person grow, the most important thing is to deal with the bad habits on him. If you want to deal with the bad habits on him, this is a conflict. And you don't know what the result of this conflict will be. Maybe he will throw his hands and walk away, because he may not understand that you want to make him grow.

The problem with many people is themselves, but people don't know it. People think that their problems are all brought by others. So the most serious manifestation of discerning good and evil is to blame others. When there is no one to blame, they blame the moon. The moon is also very unlucky. So, brothers and sisters, we must know that all of people's problems are themselves. So dealing with the bad habits on them is really fatal. You don't want to deal with it, and I don't want to deal with it, but it's not okay not to deal with it! Is it true? For example, laziness, if you don't deal with the problem of laziness, what do you do?

One day I went on a long trip and went into someone's home and saw that an old man in the family was paralyzed. I am warmhearted, so I said, I pray that you can get up and walk, do you believe it? She said, I haven't heard of it. I said, Where is your pastor? She said, My pastor is very busy. Hey, she understands her pastor very well. I said, Even if you are busy, aren't you the only one who is paralyzed? Oh, you don't know, our pastor is very busy. Then, I ministered for half a day, tossing left and right, and said some harsh words, because although she has believed in the Lord for many years, she has many bad habits.

After tossing for a long time, she could stand up and walk, and she was healed. Oh, that old lady, I thought she would say a word of thanks, but she said something that almost made me gasp: Our pastor is not like you. Our pastor speaks very nicely. You speak so harshly. My goodness, can speaking nicely make you get up and walk? Then you go back and lie down! My goodness, my heart was half cold. I often encounter this kind of thing, and my heart is often pierced with holes.

Establishing a shepherding relationship is essential. This shepherding relationship is actually a relationship of loving each other, which is serious. Since it is serious, spiritual children are raised by themselves, and absolutely not outsourced to someone else. Today, outsourcing is very fashionable. Children are born and put into technical schools, and parents are busy making money. Actually, the education of children is the responsibility of parents. This is not just the responsibility of a physical parent, but spiritual parents also bear the responsibility of shepherding children. If we shepherd God's flock, we will be serious. In this case, I tell you, every sheep will be released, and every sheep will become strong.

Why do I share these things with you? Because there are many among us who have not been shepherded. We recently engaged in some activities, and after working for a long time, these are all sheep who have not been shepherded. Actually, when I see this situation, do I feel heartache? I feel heartache, very heartache. No one cares. Your problem is your problem. The pastor has a lot of problems. The pastor's problem may be more than yours. As a result, no one dares to lift this lid. If you lift this lid, a large group of wasps will rush out, which will sting people to death. So everyone covers up the problem, and on the surface, brothers are at peace, sisters are at peace. What peace? You are just playing fake.

Conclusion

Among us, those who have not been shepherded, I encourage you to think about it again. Think about what? Think about whether you are willing to establish a shepherding relationship with your shepherd. You may not trust him, but after a period of testing, you will one day know whether he is your shepherd. I have trained many people, and I hope they will share the responsibility of shepherding with me.

I think they have also trained a large number of people to help them share the responsibility of shepherding. This is a deep desire in me. I hope that all God's flock will have shepherds, unlike me in the past. For so many years, I have not had a shepherd, and I have grown up relying on foraging for snacks and wild food.

But thank God! Until today, God still graces me. Although it is very hard in that situation, it is very hard not to have anyone to care for me, really hard. When I encounter problems, I bear them myself. So for this reason, I also thank God for giving me this experience, allowing me to be determined to establish a shepherding church, so that all of God's flock can be fed in God's house, can be built up, and then grow up to adulthood, full of the stature of Jesus Christ, and become mighty warriors who conquer cities and seize land! No longer a state of sorrow, but a state of victory and prosperity, this is my deep hope.

If you are willing, start to try among us. I never morally kidnap anyone. If you are healed and released, and then you are willing to continue to live in your own way, that is very good. If there are people who are willing to take what I have taught, and build their own churches according to the Word of God that is also very good. I will do what I can, and I will give what I can. Even if there are a thousand or ten thousand shepherding churches in this world, they cannot shepherd all the sheep, can they? Is it true?

Some churches have a million believers, but no one is being shepherded. This is a tragedy. I believe that God has a desire, which is to raise up many, many good shepherds in this generation. I hope that your heart will also desire to be a good shepherd because of what I have shared! I love God, I want to shepherd God's flock, I want to be reshaped! God will surely be pleased with your decision.

May God bless everyone!

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所以啊,咱们基督教的信仰是个很有意思的信仰,为什么呢?因为我们是跟神建立关系。我们所信的主耶稣在钉十字架之前,就告诉我们:你们要彼此相爱!这个爱啊,就是一个关系。如果你和我之间有一个爱的关系,然后你犯了一个很严重的错误,会发生什么事呢?我就会想尽办法帮你把错误给弄过去,因为我跟你之间是一个爱的关系。 所以啊,咱们弟兄姐妹要知道,基督教的信仰一定要有爱,没有爱的信仰是很奇怪的。我们知道主耶稣爱我们,但是如果是在其他的宗教里,有人讲:老子爱我、孔子爱我.....就很奇怪是不是?但是基督教的信仰一讲到爱,主耶稣问彼得:你爱我吗?彼得说:我爱你,主耶稣。耶稣说:你牧养我的群羊。也就是说,牧养是建立关系的一件事。 所以我给大家讲,建立牧养关系是一个非常重要的课题,什么关系就说什么话。你比如说我在企业里做工,我上边有上边,左边有左边,右边有右边,下边有下边。那我跟上边说话,我不能说:去,给我倒杯水!那我还活不活了? 我也不能跟下边说:哎,你要一杯水吗?我不能这么干。也就是说跟上面是上面的关系,跟下面是下面的关系。左右同事也就是同一个级别的,隔壁部门的,你要有一个健康的关系。那我们基督徒一定要知道,我们的关系是一个十字架,这是很有意思的。我们上面是跟神建立关系,我们的下面是跟我们牧养的羊建立关系,我们左右是跟我们在主耶稣基督里一起服侍的弟兄姐妹建立关系。

所以咱们讲牧养关系,就是建立跟我们下面牧养的人的关系,这个事就非常的重要。如果你不是一个动真格的人,我跟你讲,你的服侍应该是很辛苦的。我有一个好朋友,也是一个牧师,他照着我所说的去建立教会,不到一年时间,收效非常的大。他带着他的同工,每隔一两个礼拜,或是两三个礼拜,就到我这里学习。那我呢,就很喜欢跟他分享。 我就跟他们说:牧养要动真格的。他的同工就问我说:可是动真格的会很累啊!我听了这句话,我就说:那你养孩子累不累啊?累啊。他养孩子累,那牧养却不动真格的,去对付一把,那问题就在这。你今天对付,明天对付,你到时候怎么给耶稣交差啊?所以,有的人就说自己服侍得很累,就问我累不累,我能不累吗?这服侍真的是很辛苦的事,但是凡我所训练的同工都在用心的服侍。 我可以说一句老实话,我们教会必须超越跨国企业的客服,为什么?因为我们是天上的企业,我们的老板是主耶稣,你做的还不如人家做的好,那你怎么给主耶稣交帐?所以咱们教会必须超越世上的企业,天上的企业怎么可能做不过世上的企业呢?

这是一个悲哀的故事,有一个姐妹得了忧郁症,就翻开新加坡教会的目录,然后挨个打电话。哎呦,要么对方电话接不通,要么接通了胡说八道一通。人家这么说:喂,啊啊,你有问题啊,那主日来聚会吧。如果你打电话去医院,医院会怎样?医院会说,你赶紧来,我们这里还有急诊室。 所以我们想,今天这个世道,教会真的需要改造。使徒保罗建立教会的时候是怎么一回事啊?那是与哀苦的同哭啊!听明白了吗?也就是说,那是爱的关系,对方感觉到痛,你也会感觉到痛,你不能说手指头割了一刀,脚趾头不痛,或者是脚趾头割了一刀,手指头觉着不疼,它是觉着一起痛。身体的任何部分痛,它都是个痛啊! 所以我们是一个相爱的整体,也就是说,在服侍的过程当中,我们能否把神的爱传递出去,就全看牧养的关系了。可能有的人要说:那我怎么找你找不着啊?我也跟大家坦白的说,那我能够直接服侍的,我能服侍多少啊?耶稣直接服侍的人,能服侍多少啊。耶稣对他的门徒说:你们将来要做我所做的事,而且要做比我更大的事。为什么?因为耶稣训练了十二个门徒,十二个再训练十二个,这么下去的话,那可不得了。

所以我里面有一个非常热切的盼望,就是我所训练的人能否照着我的服侍模式,或者照着《圣经》里的模式去服侍,能否跟你下面的人建立一个爱的关系。但是呢,还有一个挑战,我们是想去建立这样爱的关系,但是热脸常常去贴凉屁股,今天贴一个凉屁股,明天贴一个凉屁股。人家说:谁让你来牧养我了,我什么时候请你来牧养我了?那咱就别牧养。 所以咱们教会有个特点,你如果不需要我牧养,那我就不牧养。是不是?那咱建立的是牧养的关系,牧养的关系也是一个关系,这个关系是有两头,你那边如果是个凉屁股,那我这边热脸也就算了。你如果希望我们牧养,我们就好好的牧养。但是我的盼望是,我们所训练出来的人,都能带着一颗为父为母的心去牧养神的群羊。 其实在我看来,我确实很心疼我的同工们,为什么?因为他们在服侍的过程当中,真的是用尽所有的心血去服侍。那你说,有没有偷懒的状况?其实做传道人这活有点小挑战,这世界上有两种工作是随便偷懒的,第一种是牧师,第二种是老师,这全都是良心活。你可以做到死也是那样,也可以什么都对付一把也是那样。这就是为什么很多教会直到今天活的还挺好。有没有牧养?没有牧养,但人家就活的挺好。 但是咱们教会需要的是啥?需要爱神,愿意为神摆上自己,愿意带着神给我们身上的命定,来牧养神的群羊。尽心尽力尽性爱主我们的神,这是我里面一个深切的盼望。所以超越世上的客服并不难。我们当中这些同工真的是挺不错的,都是在用心去做牧养的工作。

建立牧养的关系是至关重要的,如果我跟你没有牧养的关系,我大概会这样说话:姐妹你好,姐妹平安!你说:你能不能为我代祷?我就说:好,回头我为你代祷。其实等回过头来,祷什么呀,代什么呀,算了吧。但是我会跟你这样说,因为我跟你没有牧养的关系。但是如果你跟我有牧养的关系,我会说:祷什么祷?代什么代?!来!我们一起祷告! 所以这事不一样啊。有的人他不理解:你看我来教会前,你对我是那样,后来你怎么对我这样?说话怎么这样啊?之前那是假的嘛,后来我跟你动真格的不行吗?你身上有恶习那不得对付掉啊。那我爸咋不打隔壁家的小孩呢?隔壁家小孩不上学,跟我爸一点关系也没有。但我不上学,要是逃学回来,我爸就叮咣,叮咣,给我屁股一顿抽,抽的我嗷嗷叫,那能一样吗?挨完揍我就知道可得好好学习。谁没事把别人家的孩子抓过来揍一顿啊,爱咋的就咋的呗。 所以咱们弟兄姐妹开始了解这件事,建立牧养的关系才有牧养。之前有认识一些牧师,他说:你搞互联网教会不行,没有肢体的接触。我就想看看这肢体的接触到底是什么呢?他让我进去他们那里学习,那建立大教会,我得去学啊,我就去了,那教会一千人哪,有的时候上万人。

牧师说:转过去跟你旁边的人说,耶稣爱你,我也爱你。我就转过去说:耶稣爱你,我也爱你!说完我想了想,这是干啥呢?我爱他,我也不知道他是谁,后来散会了就都走了,等到下次见面,他是谁来着?是张家的公子,还是李家的王子,搞不清楚。 后来有一天,我在教会里讲道的时候,那时候还是实体教会。我对弟兄姐妹说:转过去跟你旁边的人说,耶稣爱你,我也爱你!那四五十人的小教会还可以,大家都认识。那如果四五千人的大教会,谁认识谁呢?人们以为一千人一排一排地坐在椅子上就相爱了,其实你有啥毛病他也不关心,他有啥毛病你也不关心,那叫啥相爱的关系呢?

弟兄姐妹一定要知道,建立教会一定要建立彼此相爱的教会,在上面跟我们的主耶稣或者跟我们的牧者有爱的连接,左右跟我们的同工有一个爱的连接,下面跟我们所牧养的羊有个爱的连接。有了爱的连接,然后主耶稣就会住在我们当中。那如果建立的是一个俱乐部,我买你的保险,你给我弄点生意谈,那主耶稣能在我们当中吗?不能啊。 现在很多的教会是聚会型教会,但是后来我读《圣经》,发现主耶稣的心意不是建立一个聚会的教会。呼啦一下五万人拥进体育场,你旁边的那个人跟你有啥关系呢?有一天我去送书,那五万人的聚会一结束,人群就往出涌,每个人的脸上麻木的要命。我就站在那里喊:免费,免费...我这热脸贴了好多的冷屁股,因为我跟他们没有关系。 所以弟兄姐妹要知道一件事,实体教会它不是一个真实的东西,它追求的是那个场面和氛围。其实他们的氛围,比不上人家很多的演唱会,那彩色萤火棒多好看啊。但那是神要的吗?我想,好像不太是。其实最早的教会,都是家庭聚会,都是几个人,十几个人,二十几个人在家里聚会,也没有十字架,啥也没有。但是有一样东西是今天没法比的,人家当时的教会叫彼此相爱,所以主耶稣就明明的在他们当中。

我们要建立一个牧养的教会,主耶稣就明明的在我们当中。所以弟兄姐妹,把我们里面的观念重新调整。你是否有一个正确的教会观?某某大教堂,进去的人你不认识我,我不认识你,那没有什么太大用。 在我们的教会当中,牧者和他的羊,几乎每个星期,甚至每天都有很多话说的。我们当中有一些弟兄姐妹,其实跟他也没什么关系,就在网上认识了,然后就开始牧养,牧养一段时间以后,一见面就跟认识好多年的老朋友一样,其实以前从来没有见过面,但是却非常的熟悉,这个人是个怎么样的人,他什么状况,什么问题,哪里需要进步,都清清楚楚。 凡是在我牧养的范围里面,当我跟我所牧养的人一起说话,一起吃饭的时候,我都是讲对方哪个地方要改,哪个地方要成长,哪个地方需要有突破,这些我早就预备好了,等到见面的时候就谈这些,我不跟人家扯东家长西家短的,我最讨厌做老娘们。什么叫老娘们呢?不是说你到了一定的岁数就叫老娘们,有的人还没有到那个岁数,就已经成了老娘们了,可喜欢扯淡了。讲闲话,扯淡,说一些有的没的,一点也不造就人。

那咱们弟兄姐妹要知道,为什么要叫牧养?因为它造就人,造就人的事咱多干,于人有益的事咱多干。所以弟兄姐妹要知道,很多人以为只要挂个十字架,人们排队进去唱几首诗歌的地方,就是教会了。但那是教会吗?弟兄姐妹一定要知道,主耶稣不住在我们哇啦哇啦里,也不住在讲道里,那么主耶稣住在哪?住在我们彼此相爱的这种牧养关系里。 我想我说的话可能比较尖锐,但你如果问我《圣经》是不是这么写的,我可以拍着胸脯给你说,《圣经》真的是这么写的。要是不信的话,你去好好读《约翰福音》,神住在我们彼此相爱的关系里头,听明白了吗?不是一个表面的关系里头。 说到这吧,我的故事就多了。有一天,我去谈一个机器人的生意,见到我认识二十多年的朋友,见了面以后,我们寒暄了几句就开始谈正事,他就问我怎么样,我说:很好,我挺开心的,这事你理解不了,我牧养教会。然后我就讲到牧养,他流露出一个非常让人诧异的表情. 他就跟我分享说,他有四个孩子。然后我就问他孩子怎么样?他说:大儿子得了自闭症,初中读完,高中没考上,上了一个理工学院,或者叫做中专或者大专,上完了以后就不能工作,孩子就得了自闭症。他是三十多年的基督徒,年轻的时候曾经很火热,但是他的孩子得了自闭症以后怎么样呢?没有人关心这事。我就直接了当的说:这就是鬼,医治释放好使。

我们当中有一个孩子的妈妈,小孩二十岁了,五加四等于八的那种,那小孩上小学糊里糊涂上过来的,上中学也是糊里糊涂上过来的,然后就这样了,但是以后怎么办呢?那妈妈哭了老久了啊,结果在我们的牧养之下,现在已经能够赚钱谋生了,当然这中间的故事是很多的。 以前这孩子赚什么钱啊,花钱都不知道怎么花的。到了付钱的时候,把口袋里的钱全掏出来,让人家随便拿,买一瓶水,根本不知道人家拿了多少,反正拿多少是多少,剩下的就装进口袋里了,根本不会数数。那妈妈不知流了多少泪,现在这妈妈多开心哪,跟着我一起牧养神的群羊,我想这是非常令人兴奋的事。 让人悲哀的是什么,就是羊没有被牧养,牧师也不关心他的问题,他觉得这样很正常,这样的教会也很正常,牧师很忙嘛。我最诧异的一件事,在我们今天这个世代,耶稣做的,他们不做,耶稣不做的,他们反而做一堆。我真的非常的诧异。你想神在天上的宝座该多么的诧异?这还是教会吗?

我的一个好朋友来跟我学怎么建立教会,他跟我说,有一对夫妻,都是老基督徒,妻子得了严重的怪病,说不出来话了,她老公去了那家教会,那教会的牧师就告诉他,接受现实吧,这是神给你的妻子安排的。神安排的这个吗?我怎么不知道在《圣经》里有这个呢?那神要是跟那位牧师说,我要给你也安排一个,你觉着怎么样啊?很多牧师因为胡说,瞎说,最后招来很多的咒诅,所以千万别瞎说。 在我们当中听我讲的弟兄姐妹,如果你是牧师,那我今天劝告你,好好读《圣经》,《圣经》有的,就好好说,《圣经》没有的,千万别瞎说。读《圣经》要严谨哪!《圣经》说你要谨守遵行,那咋不说随便遵行呢?是不是? 咱们弟兄姐妹可不能随随便便的信主,基督徒也有三六九等,在这个世界上人分三类,最下边的就是不谨守遵行神话语的基督徒;中间的才是世上的人;最上面的才是谨守遵行神话语的基督徒,真的是这样,做基督徒,你若不谨守遵行,那你连世人都不如。那谨守遵行啥啊?谨守遵行神的话!

神让我们爱祂!弟兄姐妹一定要知道,我说的话,真的是从《圣经》上来的。如果有人不爱神,这人可诅可咒,严重啊!你真的爱神吗?如果你不爱神,这人可咒可诅啊!你信耶稣,然后又不爱耶稣,那不在下面能在哪呢?是不是?就会被世人踩在脚下,被魔鬼踩在脚下,被所有人踩在脚下,你说这日子咋过? 要做基督徒,就听我一句劝,做一个响当当的基督徒!做工程师,就做响当当的工程师;做医生,就做响当当的医生;做老师,就做响当当的老师。这个老师和牧师这行当是良心活,因为是个良心活,所以很多人就瞎整。因为这个东西不像做IT,你写软件,如果跑不起来一下就知道了。那牧养这活,你用心的牧养,你随意的牧养,甚至你不牧养,差别可能都不是很大。所以很多基督徒就那么随便整。 弟兄姐妹一定要知道,神住在我们彼此相爱的关系里。你会发现,你的牧者比你还看重你的问题,如果你觉得他不在乎的话,他也许是在试一试你。弟兄姐妹仔细去观察,我们所知道的教会有很多,喜欢跑教会的人有很多,喜欢跑各种特会的人也很多。人为什么要跑特会呢?这能干啥呢?我觉得很奇怪。

有一个姐妹,她妈得了癌症,我带着她妈祷告,那时候教会小,我一个人就那么好好的服侍,是尽心尽力的服侍。她觉得她妈跟着我祷告很好,她就也来找我,问我能不能带她祷告,我说那没问题啊。她的牧师,我是认识的,她的牧师跟我很熟,她牧师身上的病也是我祷告好的。这个姐妹从十几岁开始就偏头疼,一直疼到快40岁了,辛苦啊,要命,但是没人管,我带她祷告,5分钟就好了。 她对我说,我能不能问你个问题?我说,你随便问。她说:我去了那么多的特会,有恩膏的牧师为我祷告都没好,为什么到你这就好了?这个问题真的是个好问题啊,我有一个习惯,就是你的问题只要粘到我手上,那我就是认定了,我就非解决不可。除非你不让我管,那我就跟你没关系,但是如果你找我,我答应了做这个事,我就管到底。 你来找我了,问题还没好,那就是我的事。为啥?因为这叫做彼此相爱的关系。因为我牧养的是她妈妈,那她妈妈的孩子你说我能不管吗?是不是?也得管。如果你不好,那我就带你继续祷告,再不好,我还继续带你祷告。如果还不好,我就彻底修理你身上的恶习,因为你这是受了咒诅,严重的咒诅。 神是满有恩典的神!我告诉你,常年累月身上有病的基督徒,真的要小心,为啥?因为全是违背了神的话。那我们要开始了解一件事,到底神的心意是什么,神的心意是让我们牧养祂的群羊。偶尔有其他教会的那些羊钻进来了,我们也给他们吃得饱饱的,然后他们就不走了。 他的牧师就来找我:你怎么偷我的羊啊?我说:不是啊,是你的羊进来吃我的草。那你怎么把他留下了?我说:他们吃肥了以后就出不去了。因为我们这里属灵的粮草很多啊!我们网站上的录音,听个一年半载都听不完。而且在我们当中,如果你真的有问题,不管是我也好,还是我训练的人也好,那可都是当自己的事儿对待!

一个比我早十年建立教会的牧师,他的妈妈来找我,为啥?因为他妈妈二十年的失眠一直好不了,她妈妈跟我说了一句话:哎呀,我那个儿子,不为我祷告还好,一为我祷告,我药量加倍,已经加到四倍了。我说好啊,既然这事到了我手里,那我就是认了真了,一直给她整好了为止。直到今天,隔三差五的,我都会去问下她身体的状况。前一段时间,她还说:我能买一本书吗?我说:没关系,我送给你。我就送了她一本我写的书。 所以弟兄姐妹知道吗?这是牧养的心态。可能你在牧养当中会觉着累,其实谁都累。我妈妈养了五个孩子,你问她累不累?那可累了,要命啊,那个年代劈材火,烧煤,早上做个饭都很辛苦,谁累谁知道,牧养能不累吗?问题是啥呢?因为耶稣基督的爱激励我们,所以我们竭力奔跑,为了讨神的喜悦。如果我们爱打电脑游戏,我问你打电脑游戏会累吗?不会累。如果我们爱打麻将,会累吗?不会累。如果我爱耶稣,我牧养能累吗?那就不累了。 服侍神委托给你的羊,他的病一旦好了,你的眼泪都流下来了。为啥?因为天天盼望着他得医治啊,就盼着他从辖制当中走出来。这喜乐,真的没有什么东西能比。如果你问我什么东西最让你满足,就是看到弟兄姐妹得释放。当我看见弟兄姐妹能够得胜,看见弟兄姐妹能够从魔鬼的压制里头释放出来,他们的问题得到解决,我的眼泪都出来了。 为什么?因为天天都盼,虽然嘴上不说,眼看着就要得医治了,就继续服侍,心里头就非常感谢神。世上还有什么比牧养神的群羊更好的吗?没有啊!牧养神的羊,那回报是极其丰厚的,所以弟兄姐妹要开始兴起来!

这个世代,说到牧养的事情,心里能纠结的地方多了。有一次,我得知一个牧师的老婆得了癌症,我就很希望能帮到他们,因为我是一个热心肠,并且服侍了很多癌症都好了,于是我就发信息过去说:这是我的电话,如果需要祷告的话,我可以带着你的爱人祷告。 结果人家给了我一句:谢谢。我看到谢谢这两个字,我就看到了弦外之音,不是识别善恶,而是我能听出来啥意思。就是说:算了吧,快滚到一边去吧。因为他不相信这世上还有像我这样的牧者,他认为所有的牧养就是他的那套牧养。 有很多人问我:到你这里的都得医治吗?我听这话怎么像《创世记》里魔鬼说的话呢,是不是所有树上的果子都可以吃啊?大概就是这么个味道。我说:都得了医治。为什么?因为他如果不得医治的话,到了我这,那我就较上劲了,一直要得医治才算。

我妈妈两年前得老年痴呆的时候,那都成啥样了?但是现在,都可以跟着我一起干活了。虽然现在鬼还是经常来,但是来了又怎么样?来了我就把鬼赶走。最近她整了一大堆韭菜盒子,也挺厉害啊,八十六岁了,但是干起活来可麻溜了,多好啊,走路杠杠的。那如果不是我们的牧养,我妈能走到今天吗?走不过来的! 我们的牧养那真的是较上劲了,所以魔鬼就没法得逞。所以我们当中的牧者,你听我讲的时候,你也开始横下一条心,在神所托付你的羊面前,无论如何要靠着主耶稣得胜,把这羊喂养成健壮的羊。在我们当中被牧养的人,也要渴望兴起来,今天我们怎么服侍你,将来你也怎么服侍别人。神的祝福直到千代,我们这里一脉相承啊,一代代传下去。 我就很诧异一件事,比如说在一个群里看到有人生病的信息,有很多人会在群里打字:我会为你代祷的!然后有病的那个人说:谢谢!但是真的祷告了吗?不知道。没祷告?也不知道。反正打个字吧,也很容易。吃饭祷告的时候顺便也给你祷告一下,至于你到底好了没有,人家也没啥感觉。

咱们弟兄姐妹要开始知道,要服侍神,就要动真格的,而且必须动真格的。使徒保罗在《圣经》怎么说呢?说师父虽有一万,但为父的却是不多。我们能否带着为父为母的心去服侍?只有带着为父为母的心,神才能够住在我们当中,因为那是爱。父母养孩子都很累,但是都累的心甘情愿不是吗?所以耶稣说:好牧人为羊舍命。 咱们要开始了解一件事,不但耶稣自己是一个好牧人,耶稣也希望我们在他面前做一个好牧人。为什么耶稣跟彼得讲:你爱我吗?你牧养我的羊?因为神在我们身上有一个心意,就是好牧人为羊舍命。但是为羊舍命的人在哪里呢?我想神在他的宝座上也甚为诧异。 我们当中有很多人不太理解,为什么神要我们去牧养呢?因为这叫做与神同行。这世上没有一件事比与神同行更好的。如果我们不能够与神同行,那我们活着在这世上干啥呢?将来我们到神面前如何交账呢? 那没有了我们,神就不能够牧养了吗?不是的,没有我们,神也照样牧养,神的计划也照样成就。但是为什么神让我们去牧养?因为神是要我们得奖赏。其实神不太需要我们,神创造宇宙万物的时候,我们也不在现场,但是神就是愿意让我们与他同行,与他同工。

如果人真的愿意与神同工,神就也真的愿意与他同工,这不是天底下最美好的事吗?与神同工,是使我们成长的事儿啊。那人信主,信着信着信到哪去了呢?你不得要信到长大成熟,满有耶稣基督的身量吗?那你怎么才能长大成熟?比如你说你的小孩能打酱油了,那就代表你的孩子长大了,那再长大一点,就能够干更大一点的活儿,是不是? 那我们怎么长成满有耶稣的身量呢?还不是在服侍当中成长吗?所以咱们弟兄姐妹要知道,不是因为服侍需要你,而是因为你需要服侍,为什么呢?因为你不服侍,你就不能够成长,不能够成长,你就不能够喜乐,然后就白活了。如果你不想白活,不想瞎活,不想苟且偷生,如果你想活出神的荣耀,那就是一条路,走服侍的路。 那服侍是啥?就是牧养。那有的人说:我是自由传道人。什么叫自由传道人?我就不太理解。这自由传道人,到台上讲讲,然后拎包回家,没有什么牧养的责任。那在我心目当中,没有牧养,只是讲讲道,那不是忽悠么?那不叫耍流氓吗?为啥呢?因为你没有牧养,你不需要付任何责任。

师傅虽有一万,为父的却是不多,神要我们彼此相爱,神不是让我们彼此讲道,是不是?神要我们彼此相爱,怎么相爱?在牧养当中彼此相爱。你有你的牧者,我有我的牧者,然后每个人在耶稣基督里连成一体,神就住在我们当中,然后我们在耶稣基督里有这样合一得胜的状态,就可以践踏魔鬼仇敌,然后我们就看见神的荣耀,神就明明的住在我们当中。 很多人选择了做牧师这个行当,那是个悲剧啊,不仅对于耶稣基督的教会来说是个悲剧,对他自己来说也是个悲剧。为啥?不爱神,还得服侍,哎呦,还有什么比这个更悲剧的呢? 我服侍过一个得脑积水的大牧师,其实我不想服侍,但是他的好朋友非得让我服侍。结果一问,我说:你怎么得的这个病啊?他说:你看我们做牧者的,一个礼拜只能休息一天。那你还想休息几天哪?我很诧异,我从20多岁到现在,一天都没休息过,没有时间休息啊。牧养着牧养着,累了就做做装修,做做木工,木工做累了再继续牧养。 所以他们问我,你一天睡几个小时啊?几个小时都有啊,三个的,四五个的。有的人对睡觉这事看得很重:你看我昨天就睡了三个小时啊。我说你昨天睡了三个小时,比我强多了,我才睡了一个啊。哎呀,我永远跟你比不上了。我说你就别跟我比了,睡觉不重要,重要的是我们到底干了些啥?弟兄姐妹开始从这种迷思里走出来。

结果那个牧师跟我说:你看我们多么辛苦,那一个礼拜只能休息一天,你看我们教会的小组长,三年就要换一茬,每一个小组长退下来,我们都得顶上去,很辛苦的。我说:为什么会这样呢?他说:你看那个小组长,礼拜天来教会,一个礼拜还得去培训一次,还得带一次小组,然后一个礼拜三次,那一年下来能休息吗?那肯定烧焦了,就精力耗尽。 但是我在《圣经》里怎么没读到这事呢?人家保罗服侍成那样,也没见得病啊。后来这个牧师他得了脑积水,让我服侍。想干活的时候就睡觉,要睡觉又睡不着,这痛苦啊。所以说这人哪,如果不爱神,还要硬撑着服侍神,太辛苦了,能不累吗? 你看我说得很实在,是吧,这个世界上咋就这么多人不能明白神的心意呢?是不是?好!咱不服侍神,那不服侍神,你干啥呢?活着活着就死了,是不是?不是也很辛苦么!你不服侍,是,时间都省下来了,但那疾病来的时候你怎么办呢?不说别的,就你们家老人老年痴呆,就够消耗你所有的精力了,是吧?但是我们家的老年痴呆好了,那你们家的老年痴呆,你该怎么办呢?神不与你同行,你这辈子怎么活啊?是不是?

所以弟兄姐妹,在这世上一定要知道一件事,我们要行在神的旨意当中,这世上没有任何事情比与神同行更好的了。有的时候,可能我们读旧约《圣经》会很诧异。三百万以色列人拉家带口,没有车,东西全都背在肩上,安顿下来睡一晚上,然后神说:起程!哇,那就得收拾帐篷啊,然后背着,扛着。有的孩子还大便,小便的。然后怀里抱一个,手里牵着一个,在旷野里走啊走啊。我跟你讲,如果我活在那个年代,我会很痛苦的,走着走着没水喝了,那孩子又哭又闹,很辛苦是不是? 我是不理解,这有什么好走的?如果我在以色列人当中,我会和以色列人一样在那里抱怨,走的心不甘情不愿的。但是没有什么招啊,不走你就留下吧,人家走,你可以留下啊。那人家三百万人都走了,留下你一个,老虎啊,狼啊,蛇啊都来了,你自己玩吧!看你能玩到哪去,没办法,还是得走,走吧!哎呀,辛苦,很辛苦! 后来我慢慢明白一个道理,明白一个什么道理呢?其实这是在练兵啊!你在旷野里练好了,你才能进应许之地,才能打败仇敌呀!是不是?那你不练,进去不是送死去么。你说你信神,那信神就要真的聪明,要了解神的心意,是不是?

如果你仔细读旧约《圣经》,其实我们也在前面讲过,20岁以外,能拿刀打仗的才算数啊,其他的不算数。就是说,你进去应许之地,你得能够打仗才行!神为你争战得胜,但是你不能够穿着大裤衩子,脚上套一双拖鞋,拿个大花扇子,然后溜溜达达的进去,你以为玩呢? 所以我告诉你,基督徒在世上,想活在耶稣基督的旨意里头,的确会有些辛苦的。我们服侍都付很深的代价,有的时候什么都不缺,就缺睡觉,那干活干的很累,真的很想休息。说不累那不骗人吗?那肯定是累。但是我们如果不操练,不争战,怎么能够得着应许之地?又怎么能够支取神的应许呢?即使我们不做这个,我们就照着世人的活法去活,那更辛苦啊! 弟兄姐妹要知道我不傻,我是看明白了一件事,反正人来到这世上都是挺辛苦的,但是按照世人的那个辛苦,实际上没有什么荣耀可言。但是在主耶稣基督里尽心尽力的服侍,尽心尽力的牧养,将来神必在永恒里为我们预备一个荣耀的冠冕。

将来我们来到主耶稣面前,我们可以坦然的说:神哪,我来了。神说:这又忠心又良善的仆人,进来享受你们主人的荣耀。我反正是看透了,世上的事不能爱啊,爱完了要付代价的,出来混都要付代价的。有句话说的好,出来混都要还的,你如果在耶稣基督里也是瞎混,那你不也得还吗?是不是! 那我们是动真格的牧养神的群羊,虽然很辛苦,但是很兴盛啊!神与我们同在啊!虽然我们常常心里头也很辛苦,也流泪,但是看见弟兄姐妹得释放的那种满足感,是什么也替代不了的。反正在世上没什么指望,我是看明白了一件事,人活着在这世上,不过是活着活着就死了。要么活着活着就死了,要么活着活着进到永生,怎么着也是辛苦,所以我们还是选择一种比较好的辛苦方式吧! 所以咱们弟兄姐妹要开始知道,建立牧养的关系是一件辛苦的事,建立牧养的关系是要动真格的。所以我只要见到牧师这个行当里的人,我都说要动真格的!为啥?因为我看见太多的玩假的,先发个信息:我会为你祷告的,然后转头该做啥做啥。

那还有一个就是,在我们牧养的过程中,想看到一个人成长,最要命的一点就是对付他身上的恶习。如果你要对付他身上的恶习,这就是一场冲突。而且这场冲突,你也不知道会发生什么结果,也许他甩手就此走开,因为他可能不明白你要使他成长。 很多人的问题就是他自己,但是人不知道啊,人以为自己的问题都是别人带来的,所以这个识别善恶最严重的表现就是怪罪别人,没有人怪罪的时候就怪罪月亮,那月亮也挺倒霉啊。所以咱们弟兄姐妹要知道,人所有的问题就是他自己啊,所以对付他身上的恶习那真的很要命。你不愿意对付,我也不愿意对付,可是不整不行啊!是不是?你比如说懒惰,那懒惰的问题你不对付,那怎么办呢? 有一天我出远门,进到一个人的家里一看,那家里的一个老人家瘫痪了,那我这人就热心肠啊,我就说:我祷告你能起来行走,你信不信?,她说:没听说过。我说:你的牧师呢?她说,我的牧师很忙的。哎,她挺理解她的牧师的。我说:就是再忙,瘫痪的不就你一个吗?哎呀,你不知道,我们牧师很忙的。然后呢,我服侍了小半天啊,左折腾,右折腾,又说了点狠话,因为她虽然信主很多年,但是恶习很多。 折腾了半天,能站起来行走了,好了。哎呦,那老太太,我还以为她能说句感谢的话呢,说了一句差点没让我喘过气来:我们牧师不像你,我们牧师说话可好听了,你说话这么难听。我的天哪,说话好听能让你起来行走咋的?那你就回去躺着呗!我的天哪,我这心里凉了半截,这种事我常常遇到,我的心是经常被扎的千疮百孔。

建立牧养的关系,是至关重要的。这个牧养的关系,其实就是彼此相爱的关系,是动真格的,那既然动真格的,属灵的孩子自己养,绝对不外包给某某人。今天外包这事挺时髦啊,孩子生下来放技术学校,爸妈忙着赚钱去了。其实孩子的教育是父母的责任,这不单单是一个肉身父母的责任,属灵的父母也同样担起牧养孩子的责任。如果我们牧养神的群羊,我们就动真格的。这样的话,我告诉你,每一个羊都会得着释放,每一只羊都会变得强盛。 那为什么我要跟大家分享这些呢?因为在我们当中有很多没有被牧养的,我们最近搞了一些活动,整了半天,这些都是没有被牧养的羊。其实我看了这种状况心痛不心痛呢?心痛,很心痛,没有人管啊。你的问题是你的问题,牧师还有一大堆问题,这个牧师的问题可能比你的问题还多,结果没有人敢掀这个锅盖,一掀这锅盖,一大群马蜂就会冲出来,那是会蛰死人的,所以大家都把问题盖着,然后表面上弟兄平安,姐妹平安,平安什么呢?就玩假的。

在我们当中这些没有被牧养的人,我鼓励你,再思考一下。思考什么呢?思考是否愿意跟你的牧者建立一个牧养关系。你可以不信任他,但是经过一段时间的考验,你有一天总会知道他是否是你的牧者。我训练了很多人,我希望他们跟我一起分担牧养的责任。 那我想,他们也训练了一大批人,来分担他们牧养的责任。这是我里面的一个深深的渴望,希望神的群羊都有牧者,不像我过去这么多年也没个牧者,一直以来靠着打零食,打野食长大。 但是感谢神!直到今天神仍然恩侍我,虽然在那样的状况当中很辛苦,没有人管是很辛苦的,真的很辛苦。遇到问题就自己承担,所以因为这样的原因,我也感谢神给我这样的经历,让我定意建立一个牧养的教会,让神的群羊在神的家中都能吃饱,都能被建造起来,然后长大成人,满有耶稣基督的身量,成为攻城掠地的大能勇士!不再是一种悲哀的状态,而是一种得胜兴盛的状态,这是我里面深深的盼望。 如果你愿意,就开始在我们当中尝试一下,我从来不道德绑架任何人。如果你得了医治,得了释放,然后你愿意自己继续照着自己的方式去生活,那很好。如果有愿意带着我所教导的,照着神的话语,出去建立自己的教会,那也非常好,我能出力就出力,我能出点啥就出啥,这个世界就算是有一千间一万间牧养的教会,也牧养不完哪,是不是? 有的教会有一百万人信主,然后呢,却没有人被牧养,这是一个悲哀。我相信神有一个心意,就是在这个世代兴起很多很多的好牧人。我希望你心里因着我所分享的,也能够渴望想做一个好牧人!我爱神,我要牧养神的群羊,我要重新被塑造!神一定会喜悦你这样的决定。 愿神祝福大家!
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Shepherd me, please. I am willing, I long to. The flock is faint with hunger and thirst, and my heart aches 😭😭😭