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【Course】The First Global Online Seminar (4) - Church Pastoral Care Lecture 1 - What is Pastoral Care

2019-07-12 15,456 First Workshop - Church Pastoral Care Practice Building Confidence Worship and Praise Implementation Service Co-laboring with God

One of the Most Important Tasks of the Church is Shepherding

In the church, shepherding is of utmost importance. In my early years at the local church, I often lamented that I seemed to be a sheep without a shepherd. So, for many years, I was essentially feeding myself, listening and searching everywhere. Later, when I established a church, I was puzzled about what shepherding truly meant.

In reality, the shepherding of the church is very important. We all know in our hearts that we love Jesus, and we also know the dialogue between Jesus and the Apostle Peter. The theme of this dialogue is love. It goes like this; let's turn to John chapter 21, verses 15-17 in the Bible. Those who have Bibles, please underline this passage.

**When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.” Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.(John 21:15-17)

This passage speaks very profoundly. We know that the Gospel of John speaks a great deal about love. So, what is feed my sheep related to? It is related to loving Jesus. If we love Jesus, the result of loving Jesus is shepherding the sheep of God. In the past few years, we have learned very deep lessons. If a church only has gatherings without shepherding, that is a tragedy.

Everyone has their own problems, and each person's problems are ever-changing. If a church is full of people who love Jesus, it should be a shepherding church, so that it can effectively solve everyone's problems.

What Exactly is Shepherding

My understanding of shepherding comes from reading the Bible. The Bible speaks very clearly about it; the Bible says that if we love Jesus, we shepherd the sheep of God. Is this related to gifts? No, it is not. It is that we love God, so we choose to shepherd the sheep of God. But I don't have the gift! Actually, this is not a question of gifts; it is a question of desire or lack thereof.

I myself am very eager to pursue this. To be honest, in my early years at the local church for so many years, I cannot remember a single thing that many pastors said today. Why can't I remember? Because I felt like I didn't know what they were talking about. And they also liked to arrange time, bring a bag of fruit to my house, sit there and chat, chat, chat, which I found very annoying. So, I was very confused; is this what shepherding is?

So, I went back to the Bible and began to deeply understand this matter. Before establishing a church, we didn't care too much about shepherding, thinking that everything others did was right, so we just accepted it. But from my personal point of view, is bringing a bag of fruit to my house and chatting what you call shepherding? I thought it would be best if they didn't bother me, wasting my time and being worthless.

Do I lack that bag of fruit? I don't lack it. Do I lack him accompanying me to have a cup of tea and chat? I don't particularly lack that either. What do they talk about? Actually, it's hard to say what they talk about. Do they have any scriptures? There are some scriptures, but that's about it. So, I began to seek what shepherding truly is.

I didn't want to bring a bag of fruit to people's homes to chat about this and that, so I knelt down and prayed about how to shepherd. Actually, God's word speaks very clearly in the Bible: if you love Jesus, then shepherd the sheep of God, feed the sheep of God. First, release people from the oppression of the devil; second, deal with the carnal habits on people; third, teach them the word of God; fourth, supervise, that is, supervise and observe the state of their implementation of God's word.

Our church is a church that does real shepherding. I hope friends online will forgive me a little. I may not yet have a shepherding relationship with you, but if you have a shepherding relationship with the people I have trained, you will know that we are very serious. Among the churches I know, is there a church that shepherds as meticulously as we do? I don't think there are many.

At least in the churches I know, that's the case. Perhaps I am ignorant, or I don't understand the situation, but as far as I know, they are mostly gathering-type churches, but we are a shepherding-type church, not a gathering church. Gathering is for shepherding, shepherding is not for gathering, do you understand? Our gathering is for shepherding.

I will not let brothers and sisters guard the matter of gathering, but the brothers and sisters of the church must be shepherded. What is the purpose of shepherding? It is to enable these Christians to gradually grow up and become mature, full of the stature of Jesus Christ.

Shepherding is Building People's Faith in God's Word

Later, in practice, I constantly pondered and understood what these four things were doing. Actually, it is building people's faith in God's word. Building people's faith in God's word can solve many problems. If people believe in God's word, many problems can be solved. So, faith is a fundamental issue.

When people invite me, I prefer to talk about the way of Jesus. Jesus heals those who are oppressed by diseases. As long as we turn to Him, He will heal us all. When we see brothers and sisters in the church being oppressed by diseases, or struggling in diseases, will we think about one thing: what would Jesus do? Jesus would heal them, because they are God's sheep. So, healing and deliverance has become a very important task in our church.

Because it is very hard for people to be oppressed by the devil. It's both bitter and painful. It's really not a good thing. If we do not release them under this condition, and find many reasons to prove that it is God's will that we do not release them, then according to this kind of reasoning, many people can easily understand God as a cruel God. In our generation, many churches promote worship and praise. What is this worship and praise for? Worship and praise is for shepherding God's flock. Do you understand?

Shepherding is not for worship and praise, worship and praise is for shepherding God's flock. Therefore, within the church, many concepts need to be adjusted. We really need to ponder this, I don't want to directly give you my answer. I encourage our brothers and sisters, especially those who listen online, to ponder and think more. Once, I went to an entrepreneur's club, where there were more than a hundred Christian pastors, but he invited me there because he felt that I could solve his problems. Why? Because wherever I go, I perform miracles and wonders.

The owner of a software company personally saw how I ministered to a child who had sprained her foot. I led her and her mother in prayer. After more than ten minutes, the child was jumping and running around. In fact, at that time, the ankle was still bruised, but she was already able to jump and run around. Because I went to his software company for a meeting, and halfway through the meeting, the child's mother asked me for help.

The customer service in our church is still quite good, but at that time I saw that no one responded, so I stopped the meeting and began to minister to them. The software company owner also temporarily stopped the meeting and watched how I ministered. After he watched me heal the child, he took my hand and said: You are the pastor I am looking for. I want to find a pastor like you.

As a result, he bought me a plane ticket and asked me to serve another entrepreneur in another city. After I went, there were just over a hundred pastors worshipping in his company. What pleased me was that he said to me: I have received many pastors, you are the only pastor who cares about my problems. That is indeed the case. What many pastors think in their heads when they meet entrepreneurs, I will not say for the time being. When they meet rich people, the things they think in their heads are a little complicated. But I think I only care about people's problems.

That night, the entrepreneur said that a sister was having stomach pains during the worship and praise training. I said that you should call her, and I will lead her in prayer for a while. Stomach pain is very easy to deal with. When the call came, I learned that the person had already been sent to the hospital. I was thinking, if Jesus were there leading the worship, and someone had stomach pains, what would Jesus do? Jesus would heal that person's stomach.

In fact, it is very quick to solve stomach pain with prayer. Our entrepreneur sister also has the problem of stomach cramps, and often has terrible stomach pain in the middle of the night. Our pastors are all diligent in serving, regardless of the time. Therefore, in the past few years, the brothers and sisters who have participated in serving in our church have developed a habit of staying up late.

Why do they develop the habit of staying up late? Because many problems are closely related to the spirits of the underworld and hell and death. You need to know that our diseases are closely related to the power of the underworld. The power of the underworld is very rampant between 12 o'clock and 3 o'clock at night. If you understand this, you will find that people get sicker in the second half of the night. Getting sick in the second half of the night is very hard.

Once I ministered to a family. A brother's father was dying and could not get out of bed. He could not get out of bed during the day and had to rely on others to help him turn over, but at 2 o'clock at night he would sit up and start talking nonsense. The brother called me, saying it was very scary, and his father was speaking the names of dead people.

Then I led him in prayer over the phone. As soon as I prayed, the person fell back on the bed and continued to sleep. The next day, he still couldn't get up, and most of the time he didn't know what had happened at all. So, in fact, people are often in a very spiritual state before they die. Today, such service is actually a very common thing, because these things are within the scope of shepherding. I think everyone has been to church and knows the situation of their pastors. Among us, you can slowly judge for yourself. In fact, I attach great importance to the sickness of brothers and sisters.

First, it is an opportunity to release God's power. Second, it can release brothers and sisters from the oppression of the powers of the underworld. Wherever we cast out demons by the Spirit of God, there the kingdom of God has come, and this matter is closely related to the kingdom of God.

The Good Shepherd Lays Down His Life for the Sheep

Casting out demons a lot is a very enjoyable thing, and such things often happen at night. A church without shepherding basically doesn't do this. What exactly is feeding the sheep of God? Feeding spiritual words, feeding the word of God. If a sheep is taken away by a wolf, you have to drive the wolf away and save the sheep. Jacob often encountered lions and tigers when he was shepherding, and David often encountered lions, bears, etc. when he was shepherding.

The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. We should weep with those who weep and rejoice with those who rejoice, which is a connection of love. In my environment, I am very tired. Once I was invited to attend a meeting, and they invited me to speak on stage, so I spoke about the good shepherd laying down his life for the sheep, and if you love Jesus, you will shepherd the sheep of God.

As a result, this offended many pastors. People pulled me aside, saying that I couldn't say that. According to what I said, was I the only one who could do it? It's not about whether I can do it or someone else can do it. Many times, what I do may not be so in place, but shepherding the sheep of God is what God said, and since God said it, I will say it.

I have been working very hard to do according to God's will, so today our church is a shepherding church. I attach great importance to shepherding. I said to the brothers and sisters who participate in serving in our church that our customer service must surpass the customer service of multinational corporations, although customer service is not common in churches.

Healing and Deliverance are Basic Works of the Church

Healing and deliverance is a very important part of the church. I think this is the example that Jesus set for us, and that is Jesus' way of shepherding. For example, when Peter's mother was sick, Jesus touched her and she was healed. Jesus did things pretty much like that.

I often see a group where many messages are sent to pray for the diseases of a certain pastor, a certain brother, or a certain sister: I will pray for you! It is beautifully called intercession. As for whether it is effective or not, whether they are healed or not, it is completely beyond their consideration. Over time, everyone feels that this is normal, but I feel that this is not normal. This is probably just playing a superficial game.

If it is the real deal, can't we desperately pray with this brother or sister and kill the demon? But they don't want to do the real deal, and they also find many excuses. Once, a friend from Singapore invited me to dinner. That day happened to be a Sunday. He said that the pastor of their church took a large group of people to a Korean pastor to see how they did healing and deliverance. After watching, they came back and preached a sermon titled If God doesn't heal you, do you still believe?

In fact, when I come back to 《Bible》, I didn't see these words. I saw: I am healed by the whip marks of Jesus! That day, a couple came, and the sister who was the wife had severe urethritis. She had to go to the toilet every once in a while. Because of this, she ran to me, seeking help. I explained to her the spiritual truth in this.

A wonderful thing happened. She sat there with me for almost five hours. When she got up to leave, she said: It is usually impossible for me to sit for so long with urethritis. I will go to the toilet in a while, but I didn't have such a problem with you.

God is the God who heals us. I think we should establish faith in God. I don't think we should say that I want to be a millionaire and ask God to help, because these things are not in line with the 《Bible》. But if we talk about illness, then it is definitely the spiritual power of darkness. Then we will serve this sister, and her urethritis will be completely healed. For many years, she has been in that church for many years, but she has not been healed.

Striving to Pay the Price to Serve

There are quite a few examples I want to give. Why don't many churches dare to promote healing and deliverance like this? Because healing and deliverance requires paying a price. In our church, I set an example. If this matter falls into my hands, I will be serious about it, unless the person being served chooses to give up. If he doesn't give up, then no matter how busy I am, I will keep tracking until this person is released. This is the shepherding of our church.

I want to tell everyone one thing, my phone is not turned off 24 hours a day. Now the number of people in the church is gradually increasing, and I may not be able to take care of everyone. It used to be fine, 20 people, 30 people, 40 people, I could handle everything by myself, even if hundreds of people knew my phone number, I could handle it, but what about thousands of people? There is only one way, which is to train more people like me.

In my ministry, once I went to visit a family. The child in this family had meningitis. I led the child in prayer. As soon as I prayed, it was past ten o'clock in the evening. My co-workers and I served very late, and we didn't eat a pack of instant noodles until 12:30 in the evening. Because I was invited, I should go back to the pastor who invited me. I wanted to make a phone call to tell him that I couldn't go back, because it would take a while to drive, but I couldn't get through when I called. The next day, when I asked, I found out that he turned off his phone on time every night at ten o'clock. I was very surprised. I can't find you, how can your sheep find you?

To put it bluntly, you can't find him even if his mother dies, because things often happen at night, unless I really can't hear at night. May God have mercy on me, my service is such service, this is called shepherding the flock of God. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. I am not bragging, I really want to pass on a message in this generation: Do you love Jesus? If you love Jesus, then shepherd the flock of God. If you shepherd the flock of God, can you leave the sheep alone when they are sick?

I think this thing is very confusing, why turn it off? Once I went abroad to participate in a special meeting, and my co-workers and I were there listening to people talking. It was a pastor from a large church in the United States. There was a question and answer time in the middle, and someone wrote a note: Pastor, what are your hobbies?

One likes sports cars, and the other likes hunting. Then they preached a message on stage: Monday is his Sabbath, and no one can disturb him. I was very surprised, has it become like this now? When did you see the Apostle Paul arranging Monday as his Sabbath in the Bible? No, on Monday Paul went to make tents, on Tuesday to make tents, and he had to come back to serve at night.

We were very surprised. How many people really care about the sheep being taken away by wolves today? How many people care about this? They only care about their Sabbath. Did Jacob have a day off in the wilderness when he was shepherding sheep for his uncle Laban? No, he didn't have a rest for twenty years, and he didn't get hydrocephalus, did he? I am very confused.

Everyone must know that the English word does not distinguish between rest and Sabbath: rest. In fact, Chinese people translate it well. Sabbath is so good, rest does not solve the problem, Sabbath solves the problem more. My co-worker and I were sitting below, and my co-worker nudged me with his arm: What are your hobbies? I only have one hobby, which is to serve God! What could be better than this in the world? Since we have identified God, we will use our lives to serve God. This is a good thing beyond compare.

I think our brothers and sisters are really blessed! You can't get such shepherding in other places, and the concept of shepherding is also very weak. At best, it's just chatting and talking, without any real effect. Just the matter of healing and deliverance, even if every church rises up to implement it well, there will still be endless needs to serve in this generation.

Until today, I am still troubled by one thing, which is how to raise up more people to serve, how to train more people who are willing to lay down their lives for Jesus, and serve well with a heart that loves God. I think it is easy to introduce a doctor to someone, but is that shepherding? That's not shepherding. I don't object to you seeing a doctor, it's your choice, but if you come to me, I will take you to pray. It is your family's choice to introduce you to a doctor, I will never take away your freedom.

So I think that our generation lacks the concept of shepherding. So what exactly is shepherding? First of all, it is to release the sheep from the control of the devil. Then feed the sheep fully, fatten them up, bring them to the streams and green pastures, so that they can thrive and grow into mature Christians, full of the stature of Jesus Christ.

Why don't churches dare to do healing and deliverance now? Because healing and deliverance requires a lot of sacrifice. I see that the brothers and sisters in the church are deeply controlled by the devil. Sometimes it takes three months to be released. I am not kidding, that is a very heavy price.

A brother came to me. His church was doing healing and deliverance well. I said, why are you still coming to me? He said: Because I can find you anytime, but our church only has healing and deliverance prayer meetings every Tuesday. I was thinking, why only on Tuesdays? What would it be like if every hospital was only open on Tuesdays? Hospitals also have emergency rooms, how can churches become like this? How strange, isn't it?

A sister, who had previously suffered from severe depression. She raised three children, one of whom has Down syndrome. It was really hard, and they were all basic salary workers. Her husband lost his job in order to take care of the family and lives on the sponsorship of charitable organizations. Many churches couldn't fix this and she came to me. I drove the demons out of her body, and the phlegm she vomited was packed into two kilograms in plastic bags.

Later, two months later, she returned to her own church. After returning to her church, she came to me again when she encountered problems. After I led her in prayer, she got better again. I asked her, why didn't she ask her own church to pray? She said that our church only has healing and deliverance once a month, and it also requires a recommendation from the sub-group leader. I said that there is no such thing in the Bible, even those who come to Jesus from the street are healed!

Eliminating the Bad Habits of Catering to the Flesh

In fact, behind deliverance ministry lies a serious issue of catering to the flesh. That is to say, why do people attract demons? Because they have carnal bad habits. You ask me, did those who were healed by Jesus in the Bible have their roots removed? I tell you, the roots were not removed, because they catered to their flesh. Did their illnesses relapse later? I don't have biblical evidence, but I can say with certainty: they will definitely relapse. Why? Because people got sick before because they lived under a curse, and then they returned to the curse. Do you think they won't relapse?

The Bible doesn't even discuss whether diseases are completely eradicated or not. If you want to find a fundamental way to eradicate them, there is only one way: diligently keep and follow God's word. If you don't diligently keep and follow God's word, you will surely be cursed. As a pastor, if you read the Old Testament, God is very emotional, there are no good shepherds. They are not shepherding at all; they are slaughtering, killing, stewing, and eating the sheep.

I think this is a deadly matter, so pastors are deeply cursed. But I say this again, not just to the brothers and sisters, but also to the friends online. If you hear this, go back and study the Bible. The shepherds in the Old Testament are deeply cursed.

So our brothers and sisters ask me, why is the proportion of cancer among full-time workers in the church so high? It's very simple, because they are not shepherding God's flock according to God's will. To shepherd God's flock according to God's will, after we release them from the control of demons, we still have to do one thing, which is to deal with their carnal bad habits, because the root of the disease lies in their going their own way.

Therefore, the Holy Spirit and the desires of the flesh are in conflict. If people follow the desires of the flesh, they will surely reap corruption. Our brothers and sisters, if their spirits are not flourishing, how can they not get sick? So start pondering what I am saying. If a person is carnal, it is deadly if you don't deal with it.

Once I went to see a property, and then I went to see the pastor of that place. That pastor was really interesting. He made dumplings for the brothers and sisters of the church. When I went that day, a very sad thing happened. One of the members scolded the pastor and his wife. Why? Because the dumplings were filled with pork, and he wanted to eat fish dumplings. The pastor and his wife were talking to me while shedding tears. It was hard work. What is this? I was very emotional; is this called shepherding? This is called catering to the flesh.

Shepherding God's flock in a way that caters to the flesh, isn't that deadly? You are already very catering to the flesh, and your pastor is even more catering to the flesh, so how can you not suffer? If it were me, I was too embarrassed to say, just like when I was a child, I said, Mom, I want to eat fried dough twists. At that time, my family was poor, and my mother pinched my face very hard: This is a fried dough twist! Then let's not eat it. How can we eat this fried dough twist? Right? In fact, children become very well-behaved and filial when they grow up. Among us, if you are a mother, if you are very catering to your child's flesh, then I guess you will suffer when you are old.

Catering to the flesh is corrupting people. Can the church do this? He was cooking dumplings for them to eat. I used to do better than him: soy-stewed beef, roast chicken, roast duck, very rich, but later I found that this is not the way to build a church. What kind of people can be attracted by roast chicken, roast duck, and soy-stewed beef? They are all attracting a group of gluttons. Today, I want to attract people who will build a victorious church with me, who will release the captives with me, become a blessing to this generation, and manifest God's glory.

I was thinking: How can a group of pastors who cater to the flesh, shepherding a group of sheep who cater to the flesh, possibly be victorious? How can they cast out demons? How can they solve problems? The more problems are solved, the more problems there are. Why? Because they are using methods that cater to the flesh. Pastors who cater to the flesh, shepherding members who cater to the flesh, this is actually quite common.

One year, a pastor came to me. He saw that my website was well-built, so he came to me and said, Can you help me build a website? I said, Your church is ten times bigger than mine. I only have a few people, and I don't know who to ask to help me build it. I said, Why don't you ask your own members to help you build a website? He said, They don't want to do it. If they don't want to do it, why should I help you do it?

Later, one of our sisters said to me, Your requirements are too high. Then I dealt with her flesh very harshly. If you don't deal with her, can she be delivered? This sister has persecutory delusions, phobias, and skin disorders. She has a lot of problems. If you don't deal with her flesh, she will come back after being delivered. When will it end? So I dealt with her, and I dealt with her a little too harshly. I worked on her for a full eight years.

I have received a lot of grace on her and in her family. She had athlete's foot, so I held her stinky feet and prayed, and her feet got better. Her skin disease also got better after I prayed with her. Her phobias also got better. I paid a great price to serve her. Then I pushed her to shepherd, and I said, Do you love Jesus? She said, I love Jesus. But this is not just lip service. You have to show what you're made of.

She said, I can't do what you do to serve me. I have to go to bed early, and I have to go to work the next day. I said, You little rascal, who cares that I serve you until four in the morning? I still get up to go to work at seven or eight in the morning. As a result, she said, I can't be like you. One day she discussed with me: I want to go to another church to see. It was the church that asked me to build a website for them. I said, Then go, but don't come back. I said this quite seriously. Do you think you can just come and go as you please? This is a spiritual army, a place to fight spiritual battles. If you want to be trained, you have to show what you're made of and see what you are.

As a result, after she went there, she asked me to have tea after a while. I said, How are you doing? She said, I'm doing well. I said, Of course you're doing well. A pastor who caters to the flesh is perfect for you, a sheep who caters to the flesh. What I said was a bit harsh. It doesn't matter if it's harsh, but brothers and sisters should know that I don't avoid saying anything that is beneficial to you.

Why do I do this? I hope to be able to shepherd God's flock. In fact, breaking down the flesh is a very important thing. If the church doesn't break down the flesh, no one will build the website. Among us, we have a ministry of the word, and everyone is working hard to transcribe the recordings. I have a good friend who is a pastor who pays people to transcribe his recordings. Can paying someone to transcribe be the same as what I do? I ask you to transcribe the recordings as a blessing to you, not as exploitation. It is truly a blessing.

Why? Because it deals with people's flesh. Sometimes the management of the ministry is a bit harsh. You must complete the transcription within this time period. If you don't do well, we won't take you. What kind of church is this? This is our church. We are really good at dealing with catering to the flesh.

Shepherding must involve taking in the word of God. Later, I found that the people who do the ministry of the word listen to the word of God over and over again. My sermons and Bible studies are a good edification for them. How well the foundation is laid! In recent years, we have built a solid foundation in transcribing recordings. Almost every brother and sister does this. It is to make you thoroughly understand the word of God, not to play tricks. It's not because I need it, but because you need it. Because just me talking about it once, you hear it in your left ear and it goes out your right ear. It's useless.

The first thing is deliverance ministry, and the second is to break down the flesh. We have a series of shepherding methods to deal with the flesh. In the following days, we will have several more talks. We will talk about dealing with the flesh up to this point first.

Reading God's Word, Feeding God's Flock

The third thing is to read God's word. Reading God's word, feeding God's flock, and making people able to eat their fill. Do you know how important this is? Not many churches lead all the brothers and sisters to study the Bible. We study the Bible chapter by chapter. There is enough content on the website to listen to for a long time.

The recordings on our church website are provided free of charge. You see the number of clicks, tens of thousands. We want to be a blessing to this generation. We feed God's flock and cast bread upon the waters so that people can eat their fill. As soon as our website goes down, all kinds of phone calls and WeChat messages are sent to the assistant, who is very busy. When will the website be up? I need to use it to lead Bible studies! He uses my website to lead Bible studies, and he doesn't pay. But it doesn't matter. I bless him.

You can use some things from my website to feed your sheep, but when it comes to our pastors paying the price, can you do it? I think paying the price is very important. If you can't pay the price and just talk about God's word, even you don't believe it, and you don't implement it yourself, what can the people below you feel?

So I call the first thing deliverance ministry. This is the most critical step to show your love for the sheep. Paul said, Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. That is, if your sheep have problems, such as back pain, leg pain, headache, can you feel their pain? Do you want to release them from their illnesses? That's why we put a lot of effort into deliverance ministry.

Among the churches I know, our church is definitely first-class in deliverance ministry. Among our church, the average brothers and sisters do better in deliverance ministry than many church workers. If preaching the word of God is not for implementation, then what are you preaching? So you listen to the stories I share with you, one after another. They are all my personal experiences. It's not that I'm using people to promote myself. I just want to promote Jesus and satisfy the will of Jesus Christ.

Even if a thousand or ten thousand pastors like me were raised up in the world, they would not be able to serve all the people. But this is God's will. I think God has chosen me to serve his people, to shepherd his flock, to do it well according to his will, so I will do it well.

We have a series of logical systems for studying the Bible. What is the purpose of studying the Bible? To make people implement it. For example, many people suffer from depression. This is a concrete manifestation of catering to the flesh and knowing good and evil. If you deal with catering to the flesh and knowing good and evil, won't depression get better? We have many ways.

Studying the Bible is to implement it. After reading God's word, you must put it into practice. We divide books into two categories. One category is called scriptures, such as the Bible, which highly summarizes and summarizes spiritual laws and highly condenses God's will. What we need to do in preaching, studying the Bible, and running courses is how to implement this matter. This is called discourse. So what I say is called discourse. The Bible is scripture. Reading the Bible is for implementation. I am teaching everyone for the sake of implementation.

In the process of shepherding, we follow up a little too closely. Some people say, Did you arrange some actors? How can they write notes so quickly? Isn't this how we train people? They listen and take notes at the same time, and the notes come out after the talk. Don't finish the talk and you haven't taken notes yet. What are you noting? So if you don't take notes, you won't remember anything. If you take notes, you can still remember a little bit.

Shepherding is Following up on a Person's Implementation

The first thing we do in teaching God's word in the church is to implement it. Shepherding is following up on a person's implementation. I serve a sister who has had a fiery temper since she was a child. She has the spirit of a little fire dragon. She has believed in the Lord, but her temper has not changed. Although it is much better, it has not been fundamentally removed. Why? Because she has not implemented God's word enough. Another problem is that she retreats when she encounters difficulties. Once I have targeted her, I will follow up to the end.

Some brothers and sisters have the blessing of being directly served by me. But I'm really sorry, some brothers and sisters send WeChat messages, and my WeChat often explodes. I can't reply to everyone in a timely manner, and sometimes I miss them. If you miss them, you can tell your pastor. Some brothers and sisters are directly served by me, and I implement it to the fullest extent.

This sister was used to retreating when she encountered difficulties from elementary school to middle school, and then to university. She also retreated when she encountered difficulties at work. Today, God is really gracious to me. I basically don't retreat when I encounter difficulties. Why is deliverance ministry so powerful among us? Because demons must retreat when they encounter us, and difficulties must retreat. It takes three months to solve some problems with deliverance ministry, and it takes a year to solve some problems. Shepherding is even more so. Therefore, our brothers and sisters should gradually be incorporated into the shepherding system.

Those who are not yet incorporated into the shepherding system in the group can contact the assistant and say that you want to be shepherded. If you want to be shepherded, we will shepherd you. We don't just grab someone off the street and shepherd them. We don't do that. But if we shepherd you, it is with the understanding that you will definitely grow, but growth requires paying a price.

We will never show any mercy in dealing with the bad habits in you. Some brothers and sisters have not accomplished anything from childhood to their twenties or thirties, and have gone through life in a daze. How can they have faith? If they say they have faith, then their faith is also false. It doesn't matter, we can help you build faith and walk with you for a while. So today we want to do one thing, to shape all the brothers and sisters who love the Lord and believe in the Lord, to become people who serve this generation, to become people who shepherd God's flock, to become people who feed the little lambs.

You know, feeding God's little lambs is like taking care of a newborn baby, who poops and pees. Fortunately, they only weigh seven or eight pounds. If they weighed seventy or eighty pounds, it would be troublesome. If they weighed a hundred pounds, it would be even more difficult to handle. Pooping, peeing, and feeding milk require paying a great price. It is very bad to only give birth to children and not raise them. If a person loves Jesus, God knows it. What God has prepared for those who love him is wonderful things that eyes have not seen and hearts have not imagined. Why? Because those who love him will shepherd his flock, and then the path that God opens up for you is definitely a very rich path.

Shepherding is Working with God

Why do we need to shepherd? Because shepherding is called working with God. You say that if we live in this world and don't see through this matter, we are just living for ourselves. If we see through it, we will live for God. If we live for God and love God to the point of madness, we will definitely pay a heavy price to shepherd God's flock. If we shepherd God's flock, can you not receive God's gifts? What are God's spiritual gifts for? They are for shepherding God's flock.

So I oppose those Christians who have nothing to do and hide in small rooms to seek visions, seek gifts, and get close to God. It's not that we have gifts first, but that we have a heart to serve first, and then gifts will come down. Why does the Holy Spirit distribute gifts to everyone as he wills? Because God gives gifts to people according to their desires. If people don't desire, then what are they waiting for? That's called waiting to die.

I think brothers and sisters who love God will shepherd God's flock, and then your life will be very exciting. If you want to live an exciting life, walk with God, and God will help you in what you say and what you do. There is a good saying in the Book of Samuel: Whatever Samuel said, God did it for him, and he accomplished it for him. Isn't that great!

Therefore, I encourage our brothers and sisters, if you want to live a life as exciting and glorious as God, then start shepherding God's flock. We will have a series of trainings to train people how to shepherd, which is a very personalized training. We will talk more specifically about how to shepherd next time. May God bless everyone.

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在教会当中,牧养是非常非常重要的,早些年我在本地教会的时候,常常感慨一件事,就是我好像是没有牧人的羊。所以过去的这些年,我其实就是自己打食吃的状态,到处听,到处找。后来当我建立教会的时候,我就很困惑一个事儿,到底什么是牧养? 实际上教会的牧养是非常重要的,我们心里头都知道我们爱耶稣,我们也都知道耶稣跟使徒彼得之间的对话,耶稣跟使徒彼得之间的对话就是以爱为主题。这个对话是这么说的,我们打开《圣经》的《约翰福音》21章15-17节,大家有《圣经》的把这段话划下来。 **他们吃完了早饭,耶稣对西门·彼得说:约翰(在马太十六章十七节称约拿)的儿子西门,你爱我比这些更深吗?彼得说:主啊,是的,你知道我爱你。耶稣对他说:你喂养我的小羊。耶稣第二次又对他说:约翰的儿子西门,你爱我吗?彼得说:主啊,是的,你知道我爱你。耶稣说:你牧养我的羊。第三次对他说:约翰的儿子西门,你爱我吗?彼得因为耶稣第三次对他说``你爱我吗",就忧愁,对耶稣说:主啊,你是无所不知的,你知道我爱你。耶稣说:你喂养我的羊。(《约翰福音》 21:15-17 ) 这一段讲的是非常的深刻,我们知道《约翰福音》讲``爱"讲的很多,那``牧养我的羊"跟什么有关呢?跟爱耶稣有关。如果我们爱耶稣,爱耶稣的结果就是牧养神的羊。在过去的这些年,我们学到了很深很深的功课,教会如果只聚会,却没有牧养,那是一个悲哀。 每个人都有每个人的问题,每个人的问题都千变万化,一个教会如果充满了爱耶稣的人,那应该是一个牧养的教会,这样才能切实的解决每一个人的问题。

我对牧养的认识是从读《圣经》来的,《圣经》上讲的非常清楚,《圣经》里说我们爱耶稣就牧养神的羊。这跟恩赐有关系吗?没有关系。是我们爱神就选择牧养神的羊。``但是我没有恩赐!"其实这不是一个恩赐的问题,这是一个渴望与不渴望的问题。 我自己是非常的渴慕追求,说句老实话,早年间我在当地教会这么多年,很多牧师讲的话我今天一丁点也记不住。为什么记不住?因为我觉得不知道他在讲什么。然后他们还喜欢安排时间,拎一袋水果到我家,坐在那里聊啊聊啊,聊得我是觉得很烦。所以我就很困惑,这就叫牧养吗? 所以我就回到《圣经》里去,开始深深的去了解这件事。以前不建立教会,我们也不太关心牧养,以为人家做的都是对的,就这样接受了。但是站在我个人的角度来看,拎一兜水果来我家里聊,那就叫牧养吗?我觉得最好别来烦我,又耽误我的时间,又毫无价值。 我缺那一兜水果吗?我不缺。我缺少他陪我喝杯茶,聊聊天吗?我不太缺这个东西。你说都聊些什么呢?其实也谈不上聊些什么,你说有没有经文,也有点经文,大概就那样。于是我就开始寻求到底什么是牧养。

我不想拎一兜水果到人家里去聊那些有的没的,于是我就跪下来祷告该怎么牧养,其实神的话在《圣经》里讲的是非常清楚,你爱耶稣就牧养神的羊,喂养神的羊。第一,把人从魔鬼的压制中释放出来;第二,把人身上属肉体的恶习对付掉;第三,教导他神的话;第四,督责,就是监督、观察他落实神话语的状况。 咱们教会是一个动真格牧养的教会,我想网上的朋友稍微原谅我一下,我跟你们可能还没有牧养的关系,但如果你跟我训练的人有一个牧养的关系,你就知道我们是非常认真的。在我所认识的教会当中,有没有一间教会像我们一样牧养的这么细腻的?我觉得不多。 至少在我认识的教会当中是这样,也许我无知,或者说我不了解状况,但就我所知道的,大概都是聚会型的教会,但我们是牧养型的教会,而不是一个聚会的教会。聚会是为了牧养,牧养不是为了聚会,听明白了吗?我们聚会是为了牧养。 我不会让弟兄姐妹守着聚会这件事,但是教会的弟兄姐妹一定要被牧养。牧养的目的是什么?是让这些基督徒能够逐渐的长大成人,满有耶稣基督的身量。

后来在实践当中,我不断的揣摩了解,到底这四样是在干啥?其实就是建立人对神话语的信心。建立人对神话语的信心能解决很多的问题,人如果相信神的话,很多问题都能解决。所以信心是一个根基性的问题。 有人邀请我的时候,我都比较喜欢讲像耶稣的道,耶稣会医治被疾病辖制的人,只要我们回转向他,他都医治我们。当我们看到教会当中的弟兄姐妹被疾病辖制,或者在疾病当中挣扎,我们会不会思考一件事:耶稣到底会怎么做呢?耶稣会医治他,因为那是神的羊。所以医治释放就成了我们教会当中一个非常重要的工作。 因为人被魔鬼辖制是很辛苦的,又辛苦又痛苦,那真不是一件什么好事。人在这种状况下,我们若不把他们释放出来,还找诸多的理由,证明我们不把他们释放出来是神的心意,那按着这样的道理去说,很多人很容易把神理解成一个残酷的神。我们的这个世代,很多教会推敬拜赞美,这敬拜赞美是干啥呢?敬拜赞美是为了牧养神的群羊。听明白了吗? 牧养不是为了敬拜赞美,敬拜赞美是为了牧养神的群羊,所以在教会的里面,很多观念是需要调整的。我们真的需要去揣摩,我不想直接给你我的答案,我鼓励我们当中的弟兄姐妹,尤其是在网上听的朋友多去揣摩,思考。有一次我去到一个企业家的会所,那里有一百多位基督徒的牧者,但他请我到那里,是觉得我能够解决他的问题,为什么呢?因为我不管走到哪里,都施行神迹奇事。

有一个软件公司的老板,他亲眼看到我是如何服侍了一个脚崴了的小孩,我带着她和她的妈妈一起祷告,十几分钟后这小孩活蹦乱跳。其实当时那脚祼还是青的,但是已经能够活蹦乱跳了。因为那时我去他的软件公司开会,开会开到一半,这小孩的妈妈就向我求助。 我们教会当中的客服还是很不错的,但当时我看没有人回应,我就停止开会,开始服侍她们。这个软件公司老板也暂时不开会了,就看着我怎么服侍。他看着我把孩子弄好了以后,就拉着我的手说:``你就是我要找的牧师,我就要找这样的牧师。" 结果他给我买了一张机票,请我去另一个城市服侍另外一个企业家。我去了以后,刚好有一百多个牧者在他企业里敬拜。令我欣慰的是,他对我说:``我接待过很多的牧者,你是唯一一个关心我问题的牧者。"那的确是,很多牧者见到企业家,脑袋里想的东西是什么我暂且不说。遇到有钱人么,脑袋里想的东西还是有点小复杂。但我想我只关心人的问题。 当天晚上这个企业家说,有一个姐妹在敬拜赞美的培训上胃疼得要死,我说那你就打过去,我带她祷告一会就好,胃疼这东西很容易。电话打过去一问,才知道人已经给送医院去了。我就在想,如果是耶稣在那里带领敬拜,然后有一个人胃疼,耶稣会怎么做?耶稣会把这个人的胃治好。

其实胃疼这东西祷告解决是非常快的。我们这个企业家姐妹,她也有胃痉挛的问题,经常半夜里胃痛的要死,我们的牧者们全部都是很辛勤的服侍,也不分是什么时间。所以在过去的这些年中,在我们教会当中参与服侍的弟兄姐妹都养成了一个熬夜的习惯。 为什么会养成熬夜的习惯呢?因为很多问题跟阴间地狱死亡的灵紧密相关,你要知道我们的疾病跟阴间的权势紧密相关。阴间的权势在夜里12点到3点之间是非常的猖獗。你如果了解的话你会发现,人在后半夜病得比较重,后半夜生病是很辛苦的。 有一次我服侍一个家庭,一个弟兄的爸爸要死了不能够起床,白天起不了床,得靠人帮助才能翻身,但到了夜里2点就坐起来,坐起来就开始说鬼话。这个弟兄就打给我,说的很吓人,他爸爸讲的都是死人的名字。 然后我就在电话里带着他祷告,一祷告人就倒在床上接着睡。第二天白天还是起不来,而且很多时候他完全不知道发生了什么。所以其实人死之前常常是一个很属灵的状况。那今天我们这样的服侍其实是很平常的一个事,因为这些事都是牧养的范畴。我想大家都有过教会,也知道自己的牧者是一个什么状况。在我们当中,你自己可以慢慢的判断,其实我对弟兄姐妹生病这件事非常的看重。 第一,它是释放神权能的机会。第二,它可以把弟兄姐妹从阴间权势的压制下释放出来,在哪里靠着神的灵赶鬼,哪里就有神的国降临,这件事跟神的国紧密相关。

赶鬼赶多了是一件很享受的事,这样的事就经常发生在夜里。一个没有牧养的教会基本上不做这事。其实喂养神的羊到底是喂养什么呢?喂养属灵的话语,喂养神的话语。如果羊被狼叼去了,你要把狼赶跑,把羊救回来。雅各放羊就经常遇到狮子、老虎,大卫放羊也经常遇到狮子、熊等。 好牧人为羊舍命,我们要与哀哭的人同哀哭,与喜乐的人同喜乐,那是一种爱的连接。在我所处的环境当中,我非常的辛苦,有一次我被邀请去参加一个聚会,他们就邀请我上台讲,那我就讲了好牧人为羊舍命,如果你爱耶稣你就牧养神的群羊。 结果我这一讲,冒犯了很多牧者。人家就把我拉到一边,你不能这么说啊,照你这么说,难道就你行啊!不是说我行还是别人行,很多时候我做的也不一定这么到位,但是牧养神的羊,这本就是神说的,神这么说了,那我就这么说。 我一直很努力的照着神的心意去做,所以今天我们的教会是一个牧养的教会。我对牧养这件事看得很重,我跟我们教会当中参与服侍的弟兄姐妹说,我们的客服真的要超越跨国企业的客服,虽然客服在教会当中并不普遍。

医治释放是教会当中很重要的组成部分,我想这是耶稣给我们树立的榜样,那是耶稣牧养的方式。比如说彼得的母亲病了,耶稣过去一摸就好了,耶稣干的事大概都是这样。 我经常看到有一个群,里面发很多为某个牧师,为某个弟兄,或是为某个姐妹的疾病祷告的信息:``我会为你祷告的!"美名其曰叫``代祷"。至于有果效没有果效,得医治不得医治,全然不在他们考虑的范围之内。久而久之,大家觉得这样很正常,但是我就觉得这样不正常,这大概就是玩一个表面功夫。 如果是动真格的,是不是可以带着这个弟兄、或者带着姐妹拼命的祷告,把鬼干掉呢?但是他们不想动真格的,然后还找了众多的借口。有一次,我一个新加坡的朋友邀请我去吃饭,那天刚好是个主日,他说他们教会的牧师,带着一大群人到韩国的牧师那里,去看他们如何做医治释放,看完了回来,就讲了一篇道《如果神不医治你,你还信吗?》 其实话说回来,我在《圣经》里没有看到这样的话。我看到的是:因耶稣的鞭伤我得医治!那天就来了一对夫妻,那位做太太的姐妹有严重的尿道炎,隔一段时间就要上厕所,她因着这样的缘故跑到我这里来,寻求一些帮助,我就给她解释这其中属灵的真理。 一个奇妙的事发生了,她在我那里坐了差不多五个小时,她起来要走的时候说:我的尿道炎通常不可能坐这么久,一小会就会去趟厕所,但是在你这里竟然没有这样的问题。 神是医治我们的神,我想我们要树立起对神的信心,我想我们千万不要说我要做百万富翁,求神帮助,因为这些东西并不合乎《圣经》。但是如果说疾病,那绝对是属灵的黑暗权势,接下来我们就服侍这个姐妹,她的尿道炎就完全得了医治。好多年了,她在那个教会当中也好多年,但却一直没有得到医治。

我要举的例子是相当的多,为什么很多教会不敢这么推医治释放?因为医治释放要付代价。在咱们教会当中,我树立了一个榜样,如果这事掉到我的手里,我就是认真的,除非被服侍的人自己选择放弃。如果他不放弃,那么不管我有多忙,我都会一直跟踪,直到这个人被释放,这就是我们教会的牧养。 有一件事我告诉大家,我的电话24小时不关机。现在教会的人数逐渐的增加,我可能没有办法顾的过来每一个人,以前还好,20个人,30个人,40个人,我一个人全部搞定,就算是百十号人知道我的电话,我也可以应付,但是成千上万的人怎么办?只有一个办法,就是训练更多像我这样的人。 在我的服侍当中,有一次我去探访一个家庭,这个家庭的小孩得了脑膜炎,我就带着这个孩子祷告,一祷告就整到晚上十点多,我和我的同工服侍得很晚,晚上12点半才吃一包泡面。因为我是被请去的,我理所应当回到请我来的牧师那里,我就想拨打一个电话告诉他我回不去了,因为开车还要开一段时间,结果我打电话就是打不通。第二天我一问,原来他每天晚上十点电话准时关机。我就很诧异,我找你都找不到,你的羊找你能找得到吗? 我说不好听的话,他妈死了都找不到他,因为夜里常常出事,除非我夜里真的听不见。愿神怜悯我,我的服侍就是这样的服侍,这叫牧养神的群羊。好牧人为羊舍命,不是我在吹牛,我在这个世代很想传递一个信息:你爱耶稣吗?如果你爱耶稣,就牧养神的群羊。如果你牧养神的群羊,羊生病了你能放着不管吗?

我想这个事让人很困惑,为什么要关机呢?有一次我去国外参加一个特会,我和我的同工就在那里听人家讲,那是从美国请来的大教会的牧师。中间有一段提问时间,有人就写了一个条子:牧师,你有什么爱好没有? 一个喜欢跑车,一个喜欢打猎,然后他们在台上传讲一个信息:礼拜一是他的安息日,不能有人打扰他。我就很诧异,现在怎么变成这样了吗?你在《圣经》里什么时候看到使徒保罗把礼拜一安排成他的安息日呢?没有啊。礼拜一保罗去搭帐棚,礼拜二去搭帐棚,晚上回来还要服侍。 我们很诧异,今天有多少人真的关心羊被狼叼去了,有多少人关心这事?他们只关心自己的安息日。雅各在旷野里给他舅舅拉班放羊,有休息过一天吗?没有啊,二十年没休息过,也没得脑积水啊,是不是?我就很困惑。 大家一定要知道,英文字是不分的,安息和休息是一个词:rest。其实我们华人翻译得好,安息多好,休息不解决问题,安息比较解决问题。我和我的同工坐在下面,我的同工用胳膊怼了我一下:你有什么爱好?我只有一个爱好,就是服侍神啊!你说世上还有什么比这更好?既然我们认定了神,我们就用我们的命来服侍神,这是一个好得无比的事。

我想我们当中的弟兄姐妹,你们真是有福啊!你们在其他的地方得不到这样的牧养,关于牧养的概念也是非常的薄弱,充其量就是聊聊天,说说话,没有实质的功效。就光是医治释放这件事,即使每一个教会都兴起来好好的去落实,这个世代也有服侍不完的需要。 直到今天,我仍然苦于一件事,就是如何兴起更多的人服侍,如何训练更多的人愿意为耶稣摆上性命,带着爱神的心好好的服侍。我想,给人介绍医生是件很容易的事,但那是牧养吗?那不是牧养。我不反对你去看医生,这是你的选择,但是你要来找我,我就带你祷告。给你介绍一个医生那是你家人的选择,我绝对不剥夺你的自由。 所以我想,今天我们这个世代缺少牧养的概念,那到底牧养是什么?首先就是把羊从魔鬼的辖制中释放出来。然后把羊喂着饱饱的,吃的肥肥的,把它们带到溪水旁,青草地上,让它们能够茁壮成长,成为一个可以长大成人,满有耶稣基督身量的基督徒。

为什么现在的教会不敢做医治释放?因为医治释放很付代价。我看到教会的弟兄姐妹被魔鬼辖制的很深,有时候要服侍三个月才能释放出来,那真不是开玩笑,那是一个很重的代价。 有一个弟兄来找我,他的教会做医治释放做得挺好,我说你为什么又来找我呢?他说:因为找你什么时候都可以,但我们教会每周二才有医治释放祷告会。我就在想,为什么只有周二有?如果每个医院只有周二才开那成啥样了?医院还有个急诊呢,教会怎么变成这样呢?好奇怪是不是? 有一个姐妹,之前她得了严重的忧郁症,养了三个孩子,其中一个是唐氏,真的是很辛苦,还都是底薪工友。他老公为了照顾家庭,工作也没了,靠慈善机构的赞助活着。找了很多间教会都整不了,就到我这里来了,我把她身上的鬼赶出去,吐出来的痰用塑料袋装了两公斤。 后来两个月以后,她又回到自己的教会,回到自己的教会后,遇到问题又来找我,我带她祷告后,又好了。我问她,为什么不找自己的教会祷告?她说,我们教会一个月只有一次医治释放,而且还需要小组长推荐才行。我说《圣经》里没有这事啊,那大街上进来找耶稣的都得了医治啊!

其实医治释放的背后,是很严重的体贴肉体的问题。也就是说人为什么会招鬼?因为他有属肉体的恶习。你问我《圣经》里被耶稣医治的人都去根没有?我告诉你没去根,因为他体贴自己的肉体,后来的病复发没有?我没有《圣经》的依据,但我可以肯定的告诉你:肯定会复发。为什么呢?因为人之前得病,是因为活在咒诅当中,后来他又回到咒诅当中,你说能不复发吗? 《圣经》上根本没探讨疾病去根不去根,如果你想找到一个去根的根本,那就只有一条,就是谨守遵行神的话。不谨守遵行神的话,就必受咒诅。做为一个牧者,如果你翻旧约《圣经》,神非常的感慨,没有好牧人。他们哪是牧养,他们是把羊宰了,杀了,炖了,吃了。 我想这是一个要命的事,所以在牧人里受咒诅的很深。但我再一次讲这话,不是单单的讲给弟兄姐妹,我也讲给这些在网上的朋友们,如果你听到这句话,你回去查考圣经,在旧约里的那些牧人受咒诅很深的。

所以咱们弟兄姐妹问我,为什么教会里的全职同工里面,得癌症的比例这么高?很简单,因为没有照着神的心意去牧养神的群羊。那照着神的心意去牧养神的群羊,当我们把他们从魔鬼的辖制中释放出来后,我们还要做一件事,就是对付他属肉体的恶习,因为疾病的根源在于他偏行已路。 所以圣灵和肉体的情欲相争,如果人顺着肉体的情欲必收败坏,我们弟兄姐妹,如果灵里不兴盛,那怎么能不得病呢?所以开始揣摩我说的话,这个人要是属肉体,你不去对付是很要命的。 有一次我去一个地方看产业,然后顺路去见了一下那个地方的牧师,那位牧师真的很有意思,他给教会的弟兄包饺子,那天我去的时候,有一个很难过的事情发生,其中一个会友把牧师和师母骂了一顿。为什么呢?因为那是猪肉馅的饺子,他想吃的是鱼肉馅的饺子。这个牧师和师母跟我一边说一边流眼泪,辛苦啊。这是啥呢?我很感慨,这叫牧养吗?这叫做体贴肉体。

用体贴肉体的方式牧养神的群羊,那不要命吗?你已经很体贴肉体了,你的牧者更体贴肉体,那能不遭罪吗?要是我啊,我没好意思说,就像我小时候,我说:妈,我想吃麻花。那时候家里穷啊,我妈用手在我脸蛋上拧了一下,拧得很疼啊:这就是麻花!那咱别吃了,这麻花咋吃啊,是不是。其实小孩长大了以后就挺乖,挺孝顺的。在我们当中如果你做孩子妈妈,假如你很体贴孩子的肉体,那我猜啊,你大概老了要遭罪啊。 体贴肉体是败坏人的,教会能这么干吗?他是煮饺子给他们吃,以前我整得比他好多了,酱牛肉,烧鸡,烧鸭,非常丰盛,但是后来发现这不是建立教会的办法。靠烧鸡,烧鸭,酱牛肉能吸引到什么人?都是吸引一群吃货。那今天我要吸引的,都是跟我一起建立得胜教会的人,他们要跟我一起释放被掳的百姓,成为这个世代的祝福,彰显神的荣耀。 我就在想:一群体贴肉体的牧师,再牧养一群体贴肉体的羊,怎么可能得胜呢?怎么可能把鬼赶出去呢?怎么可能解决问题呢?那问题越解决越多,为啥呢?因为用的是体贴肉体的办法。体贴肉体的牧师,牧养体贴肉体的会友,这件事其实相当的普遍。 有一年,有一个牧师来找我,他看我网站建得好,他就来找我,他说你能不能帮我建网站?我说你的教会比我大十倍,我这才几个人,还不知道找谁帮我整呢。我说:你为什么不找你自己的会友帮你建网站呢?他说他们不要干啊。那他们不要干,我凭什么帮你干啊?

后来我们当中有一个姐妹,她跟我说:你这要求太高。那我对付她的肉体对付得狠啊,你不对付她,她能得释放吗?这个姐妹,迫害妄想症,恐惧症,皮肤肮脏病,问题多的要命。你不对付她的肉体,释放完了又来,啥时候是个头啊。结果我就对付她,对付得稍微狠了点,我整了她足足八年的时间啊。 我在她身上和家里的恩典是很多的,她有脚气,我就抱着她的臭脚祷告,脚好了;她的肮脏病,我带着她祷告也好了,恐惧症也好了,我服侍她付上了极大的代价。然后我就推着她去牧养,我说你爱耶稣吗?她说爱耶稣。但这不是嘴皮子功夫,是骡子是马拉出来遛遛。 她说:像你们这么服侍我可做不到,我得早点睡觉,第二天还得上班。我说你这臭小子,我服侍你到后半夜四点钟谁管啊?早晨七八点钟照样起来上班。结果她说,那我不能像你们这样。有一天她就跟我商量:``我想去另外一个教会看看。"就是找我建网站的那个教会。我说那你去吧,就别回来了。我这话说的也挺重,你以为我这想来就来,想走就走,哪有这事啊!我这儿是属灵的军队,是打属灵的仗的地方。要训练那就是骡子是马拉出来遛遛,看到底是个什么。 结果她去了以后,过了一段时间找我喝茶。我说你怎么样啊?她说挺好啊。我说当然好啊,体贴肉体的牧师带着你这体贴肉体的羊,再合适不过了。我说的这话有点冲,冲没关系,但是弟兄姐妹要知道,于你们有益的,我没有任何东西避讳不说的。

我做这事为什么呢?我希望能够牧养神的群羊。其实破除肉体是一个非常重要的事,如果教会没有破除肉体,网站也没人建啊。在我们当中,我们有文字事工,录音转文字大家都是玩命干。我有一个好朋友做牧师,他花钱请人给他录音转文字啊。那花钱请人转文字能和我这个能一样吗?我让你录音转文字是对你的祝福啊,那可不是剥削啊,那真的是祝福。 为什么?因为对付了人的肉体啊。有的时候管理事工还是有点小苛刻,速记你必须在这个时间段完成,你不好好干,我们还不带你。你说这是什么教会?就是我们这个教会,对付体贴肉体可真的有两下子。 牧养,一定要把神的话吃进去。后来我发现做文字事工的人把神的话听了一遍又一遍,我讲的道和查经,对他们来讲是一个很好的造就啊!那根基打得多好啊。后来我们这些年,录音转文字的功底打的很结实,几乎每一个弟兄姐妹都干这事。就是要让你把神的话吃透,不玩假的。不是为了我需要,而是你需要这事。因为单单我讲一遍,你左耳听了,右耳出了,什么用也没有。 这第一个是医治释放,第二个是破除肉体。对付肉体我们有一系列的牧养方法,接下来的日子还有好几讲,对付肉体就先讲到这。

第三个就是读神的话语。读神的话语,喂养神的群羊,让人能够吃得饱,你知道这事多重要吗?教会带着全体弟兄姐妹查《圣经》的不多啊。我们查《圣经》是一章一章的查,网站上查《圣经》的内容都够你听好长时间了。 我们教会网站上的录音都免费供应,你看那点击量,成千上万的,我们就是要成为这个世代的祝福。我们喂养神的群羊,把粮食撒在水面上让人能够吃饱。我们网站只要一打不开了,各种电话和微信就发给小助手,忙得够呛。``网站什么时候能好啊,我还得用它带领查经呢!"好家伙,他用我的网站来带领查经,完了也不付费。但是没关系,我祝福他。 有一些东西你可以用我的网站喂养你的羊,但是轮到我们牧者付代价,这个你能做吗?我想付代价这件事很重要啊,你如果不能够付代价,只是嘴巴讲讲神的话,连你自己都不信,你自己都不去落实,你下面的人听了以后能感受到什么呢? 所以我把第一件事叫做医治释放,这是体现你对羊的爱最关键的步骤。保罗说与哀哭的同哭,就是你的羊有问题,比如腰痛,腿痛,头痛,你能否感受到他们的痛苦呢?你要不要把他们从疾病当中释放出来呢?这就是为什么我们在医治释放上投入大量的功夫。

在我认识的教会当中,我们教会做医治释放绝对是一流的。我们教会当中,一般的弟兄姐妹在医治释放上做的都比很多教会的同工要厉害啊。因为传讲神的话,如果不为了落实,那你讲什么呢?所以你听我给你分享的故事,那是一个接着一个,那都是我亲身经历的。也不是说我用人家来抬举我自己,我就是想抬举一下耶稣,让耶稣基督的心意得着满足。 如果世上再兴起一千个,一万个像我这样的牧者也服侍不完啊,但这是神的心意。我想神拣选了我,让我服侍他的百姓,让我牧养他的群羊,让我照着他的心意好好的去做,那我就好好的去做。 传讲神的话,我们有一系列查考《圣经》的逻辑体系。查考《圣经》做什么呢?好让人落实。比如说很多人得了忧郁症,这是体贴肉体和识别善恶的具体体现,对付了体贴肉体和识别善恶,忧郁症不就好了吗?我们有的是办法。 查考《圣经》就是要落实,读了神的话就要去行,我们把书分成两类,一类叫经书,像《圣经》就是经书,它高度的概括和总结了属灵的规律,高度的浓缩了神的心意。那我们讲道,查经,办课程,我们需要的是把这事怎么落实,这叫做论。所以我说的叫论,《圣经》是经,读《圣经》是为了落实,我就是为了落实来教导大家。 大家在牧养的过程当中我们跟得稍微有点紧,有的人说了,你是不是整了一些托啊,他们写笔记有写这么快吗?那我们训练人不就是这么训练吗?一边听一边记笔记,讲完了笔记也出来了。别讲完了你还没有记笔记,那你记啥啊?所以不做笔记你什么也记不住,记了笔记还能记住一点儿。

那我们教会讲神的话,第一个就是落实,牧养就是跟进人落实的状况。我服侍一个姐妹,这个姐妹从小脾气火爆,身上有小火龙的灵。她是信主了,但是脾气没改啊,虽然是好很多,但根本上的还没除去,为什么呢?因为落实神的话还不够啊。还有一个问题,她遇到困难她就退缩,一旦被我盯上了我就跟进到底。 有一些弟兄姐妹有一些福气,是我直接服侍的。但是真的对不起,有一些弟兄姐妹发微信,我的微信经常爆掉。我就没法一一的及时回复,有时就漏掉了。如果漏掉了,你就跟你的牧者说。有一些弟兄姐妹是我直接服侍的,我落实得那是淋漓尽致。 这个姐妹从小学到中学,再到大学,遇到困难就习惯退缩,在工作上遇到困难也退缩。那今天神真的很恩待我,我遇到困难基本上不退缩。在我们当中为什么医治释放这么厉害?因为鬼遇到我们必须退下去,困难必须退下去。有的问题医治释放花三个月,有的问题花一年,牧养更是如此。所以我们当中的弟兄姐妹都要逐渐的纳入到牧养体系当中。 在群里还没有纳入牧养体系的可以联系小助手,你说我很想被牧养。如果你想被牧养,我们就牧养。我们不是在大街上随便抓一个人过来,就要牧养人家,我们不干这事。但如果我们牧养你,是有言在先的,你肯定会成长,但成长是需要付点代价的。

我们对付你身上的恶习是绝不留情面的。一些弟兄姐妹从小到二十多岁,三十多岁,没有做成过一件事,一路稀里糊涂走过来,那他能有信心吗?如果他说有信心,那信心也是假的,没关系,我们可以帮你建造信心,跟你走一程。所以我们今天要干一件事,把所有的弟兄姐妹,爱主的,信主的,都塑造起来,成为服侍这个世代的人,成为牧养神群羊的人,成为喂养小羊的人。 你知道喂养神的小羊,就像刚出生的小孩,拉屎、撒尿,还好只有七八斤,如果七八十斤那就麻烦了。百十来斤就更整不了,拉屎、撒尿、喂奶是要付很大代价照顾。只生孩子不养孩子,是很恶劣的。如果一个人爱耶稣,神是知道的,爱他的人,神所预备的是眼睛未曾看到,心里未曾想到的美好,为什么?因为爱他的必牧养他的群羊,然后神给你开辟的那条路绝对是一条非常丰盛的路。

为什么要牧养呢?因为牧养叫做与神同工。你说我们在世上活着,如果不把这事看透了,就只是为自己活。如果看透了,我们就为神而活。如果为神活,爱神爱到癫狂,我们就肯定会付很沉重的代价去牧养神的群羊。如果我们牧养神的群羊,你能得不着神的恩赐吗?神给你属灵的恩赐做啥的?就是牧养神的群羊。 所以我反对那些闲着没事躲进小屋里求异像,求恩赐,亲近神的基督徒。不是先有恩赐,而是先有服侍的心,恩赐才会下来,为什么圣灵随已意把恩赐分给众人?因为神是照着人的渴慕赐给人恩赐的。人如果不渴慕,那在等啥,那叫等死。 我想弟兄姐妹爱神,就牧养神的群羊,那你的一生都活得非常的精彩。如果你想活得精彩,就与神同行,你所说的,你所做的,神都帮助你。在《撒母耳记》里有句话说得多好:凡撒母耳所说的,神都为他做成,都为他成就。你说这还得了啊! 所以,我鼓励我们当中的弟兄姐妹,如果你想一生活出神一样的精彩和荣耀,你就开始牧养神的群羊。我们会有一系列的训练,训练人如何牧养,那是一个很个性化的训练。下一次再具体的讲如何牧养。愿神祝福大家。
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Commitment We encourage every brother and sister to commit to their own church and be faithful saints. We do not allow our brothers and sisters to attend two or more churches at the same time. Teacher: Hello! Regarding the above, can I get help here? Most churches are not systematic, not systematic, and problems arise as they go and cannot move. After reading the content of Chinese Mingding Doctrine, the church should lead like this. Too many people need to learn and receive counseling, so can I receive counseling?
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Reply: Of course you can learn! Study God's word well, and if you have any questions, you can contact us. Serve God well. Loyalty is to be loyal to God. Comment: Commitment, we encourage every brother and sister to commit to their own church and be faithful saints. We do not allow our brothers and sisters to attend two or more churches at the same time. Teacher: Hello! Regarding the above, can I learn and get help here? Most churches are unsystematic and incoherent, and problems arise as they go along, making it difficult to continue. After reading the content of Chinese Mingding Doctrine, the church should lead in this way. Too many people need to learn and receive counseling, so can I receive counseling?
@Xiao Li: Commitment We encourage every brother and sister to commit to their own church and be faithful saints. We do not allow our brothers and sisters to attend two or more churches at the same time. Teacher: Hello! Regarding the above, can I get help here? Most churches are unsystematic and incoherent, and problems arise as they go along and they can't move forward. After reading the content of Chinese Mingding Doctrine, the church should lead in this way. Too many people need to learn and receive counseling, so can I receive counseling?