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【Bible Study】2 Corinthians 8 - Offering is both Grace and a Test!

2024-07-31 17,640 2 Corinthians

Alright, let us turn to 2 Corinthians, Chapter 8. While the verses of 2 Corinthians, Chapter 8 are not fully presented here, the theme is quite clear. The theme I have identified is: Giving is both Grace and a Test.

1. Paul's Collection for the Jerusalem Church

Have you heard me say bad things about the Jerusalem church? If you often hear me say bad things about the Jerusalem church, well, that is not quite the case. I am merely conveying to you the reality of how the Jerusalem church, how they have run the church. Actually, the Jerusalem church went back and forth, squabbling until they were utterly poor. So, the first point is about Paul collecting for the Jerusalem church. What is the relationship between the Jerusalem church and Paul? It is Paul's mother church. Do you understand? In other words, Paul is very clear that the churches he established were derived, word for word, from the Jerusalem church.

No matter how corrupt the Jerusalem church becomes, it is still his mother church. This is where Paul is remarkable. If we were to operate at our level, or perhaps at my level, doing so might be a bit difficult, wouldn't it? Look at what you have done to the church; I have not even criticised you, yet I am donating money to you. You have run the church into utter poverty; I would likely say something like: How did you manage things back then, only to end up like this now? Therefore, you might occasionally hear me being somewhat harsh in my criticisms of the Jerusalem church. Actually, I tell you, I simply do not want everyone to fall into the same state as the Jerusalem church.

How did the Jerusalem church fall into this state? How did it become exceedingly impoverished? It was by having the church's brothers and sisters sell all their possessions and then come to the church to eat. I ask you, what can sustain such a practice? Not working, but gathering daily to break bread, isn't it so? Gathering to break bread. I think, what kind of church is this? It would be strange if such a church were not poor. It is bound to be poor. They are not doing proper work.

So, Paul actually completely disagreed with the Jerusalem church's theological system. And the Corinthian church's failings were inextricably linked to the Jerusalem church. That is to say, why would Paul still contribute and not discern good from evil for them? This makes us quite puzzled, doesn't it?

I tell you, Paul was a Jew. Paul, being a Jew, deeply understood God's intentions. Do you know to what extent he understood God's intentions? He said, I would rather be separated from the Lord if it meant that my own people, my fellow Jews, could recognise Jesus Christ as Lord. Sadly, did Paul, carrying these donations along with Titus and another brother, manage to transport these donations to Jerusalem? It was because of this matter that Paul was arrested. And for the sake of this donation, upon arriving in Jerusalem to donate, he was arrested, imprisoned, and later transferred to Rome.

Where is the justice in this? Yet, in Paul's words, there was not a hint of resentment or complaint. He deeply understood that Jesus Christ was a Jew, that Jesus Christ came from the Jews. We Gentile churches are merely wild vines. The true roots are Abraham, the Hebrews, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But today, we are able to receive this grace, is it not because Jesus Christ was Jewish?

We are but wild vines, grafted onto this vine, and thus we have received this grace. Therefore, Paul deeply recognised the will of God. Do you know that God wanted to destroy the Israelites and raise up Moses and his descendants? But actually, I tell you, Moses was very powerful at that time. Moses adopted an attitude similar to Paul's, saying, Separate me from the Lord, and blot out my name. I tell you, this is a spirit of devotion, a spirit of dedication to God, completely devoid of self, completely devoid of selfish motives.

I tell you, Christians are very selfish. Why are Christians very selfish? Everything is based on selfish reasoning. Why believe in the Lord? Because I can go to heaven after I die. As if you were fit to go! Why give offerings? Because through offerings, I can receive blessings. Why serve? Because through service, God can give me more grace.

Is it true? Yes, it is true, but the motivation is too base.

Therefore, whether the Jerusalem church is right or wrong is not our concern. It is, in itself, a test. I tell you, as Christians in this world, we encounter tests on every level. Are you truly someone who does not discern good from evil? Are you truly able to recognise God and truly understand His will? I am not worried about meeting Peter in the future, whether in heaven or in the spiritual realm. I am not worried about that. What am I worried about? Upon meeting him, he might even be a bit embarrassed.

2. Is the Corinthian Church Willing to Give?

Today, we must know that the Jerusalem church is so poor. Why? Because Paul deeply desires that the Jerusalem church might receive the theological system that he inherited from Jesus Christ. It is a treasure. Therefore, Paul is doing such things, proclaiming it everywhere. Actually, this matter, this project, has been underway for over a year. The problem is that Paul wrote 2 Corinthians, Chapter 8, only after their relationship was barely mended, and then he brought up the matter of giving. So, I ask you, is the Corinthian church willing to give?

Everyone, tell me. If they were willing to give, there would be no need for so much preamble. Right? If they were willing to give, would there be a need to write this? Paul heard that there were many criticisms among the Corinthians. This caused Paul much heartache. Why collect offerings to give to Jerusalem? If the money passes through his hands, who knows how much will actually be sent to Jerusalem? Might he skim off half for himself? Isn't it so?

I tell you, if one has a petty mind, one will surely measure Paul's heart with pettiness. The Corinthian church was unwilling to give. If they were willing to give, this passage would not have been written. Therefore, Paul said that the Corinthians were very carnal. But Paul enlightened them. I tell you, this affinity, this affinity is wonderful. Once or twice, you might hear me say, Wow, you are truly a person who loves the Lord. Is that really the case? Have the brothers and sisters heard me say these words? Ah, you are truly someone destined from birth.

Is that really the case? If it were, I would not say it. Isn't it so? Why say this? It is simply that I hope you can become a person of destiny. I hope you can be someone who loves God. So, if I praise you, you know whether I am scolding you, whether I am belittling you. Sometimes, it is very helpless. Isn't it so? Very helpless. What can you say? The attitude that the Corinthian church exhibited was truly a terrible attitude.

So, after all is said and done, there is indeed a Ge You among the Corinthians: If I had a hundred million, I would give it. Because they do not have a hundred million, they enjoy talking emptily, firing blanks. This is the nature of the Corinthians. Therefore, in pastoring and serving, you must make independent judgments. It requires much learning. So, I tell you, as a preacher, one must often choose in faith, choose to believe in you, to believe that you are destined. Do you understand? The Corinthian church was not very willing to give.

3. Using the Churches of Macedonia to Encourage the Corinthians

Did you think Paul was lacking in the Corinthians' offerings? No, he was not. But why did he use these Macedonians to compare with them? To incite rivalry, to encourage comparison. How much did you give? I gave a hundred million. I gave two hundred million. How much did you give? You gave two million; I'll give three million. Did you think it was an auction? No. Paul felt very helpless about this, using the churches of Macedonia to encourage the Corinthians. If you hear me talking about a certain brother or sister, and then saying how they are, it is to encourage you, learned from Paul. Look at the people who use the Macedonian church as an example. I will read it to you.

And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. (2 Corinthians 8:1-2)

Brothers and sisters, I want to tell you about the grace that God has given to the Macedonian churches. Do you think that is a loss? That is grace. What grace? It means that they have great joy despite the great trials they are facing. Why are they facing great trials? How are they satisfied? So satisfied. They are showing out, in extreme poverty, great kindness by giving.

Today, we only donate when we have money; the Macedonians donate even when they have no money. Tell me, where did you get you money when there is none? Where did you get it? This is grace, this is grace. So what did the Macedonians experience? Experienced grace. If I finish talking today, and you finished listening and then you do not have grace. Teacher, why do I not have it? Why did the Macedonians have it? There is none. How did the Macedonians do it? The Macedonians were willing. Are you trying to test God? Because it is completely something else.

If a person does not give willingly, does not know that giving is grace. Is something going to go wrong? Like you are paying tips to God?

Hey, bring me a plate, bring me a plate of fried kuey teow, why is it so slow? After the waiter finishes the service, the waiter wipes the table and says everything is clean. Boom! A two dollor tip. Can you treat God this way? No way.

So what did the Macedonians say?

For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the saints. (2 Corinthians 8:3-4)

I ask you, what is the relationship between Macedonia and Jerusalem? Do not know, we really do not know, what the relationship between the Macedonian church and Jerusalem have, no business. But they are willing to have a share in this grace, yes? Let people share this grace.

Corinthian church, did you not receive Peter? Is that right? Received Peter,maybe also received James, also received Apollos, and also received many. You seem to have a good relationship with the Macedonian church. How can you be in such state when you are at the donation ceremony, have to bring the Macedonians out! Tell you, using the Macedonians church to push the Corinthians is a helpless move. Because Paul really wants the Corinthians to get this. I will tell you this not because of others, just that you can get the benefits of the gospel. If we believe in the Lord, believe in a selfish Christian, do not even think, the curse is thicker than other people. Is this right?

What are we doing? Is this correct? Does God really lack this little bit of money? God does not lack this amount of money. Why does God do this? Just trying to test you. One of the reasons why Jerusalem became poor is that God is testing you and Paul.

What did the Macedonians say? They said, Following God's will, give themselves over to God, and then give donations. Only donate after you offer yourself to God! You all have to know that I do not thank people if they do donations, who I am to thank you? I did not even accept it. If you secretly gave me a packet, if I thank you, it is called bribery. Does Paul need money? No! Does God need this amount of money? No!

There was a man, Jacob, who went to the church and the temple, and prayed for seven hours. Can't afford a meal a day, can't afford two meals a day, have to fast for three days? What kind of fasting is this?

Brothers and sisters we have to understand God. Which things does God give to you? How can your church be in that state? The state of the Corinthians. It proved an event. Donations are grace! The people from Macedonia proves it, so how does proving the Macedonians a grace? I will say something that might stimulate you now! Do the Christian in Macedonia has only known about donation and it is a grace? No! They have long known that donation is grace.

Paul offered a extra donation to Jerusalem, not the tenth, that it is a extra donation to Jerusalem. As a result, the Macedonians say: I need to be a part of it. Do you think it is a loss? Do you want to invest in this company? When it loses 100 million, I also lose 100 million with the company? This Macedonians is not the first day they know donations are grace, but I can only tell you the people who is willing to do donations, all know that it is a grace!

This event start from here: Once, there was a widow, an old lady, who put all of her last two coins into the alms chest. I asked her, what would she eat? What would she drink. There are many people who research the bible, and can't research as thoroughly as me. There are many people that say that God is too cruel.

I say you are brain damaged! You thought about donating these two coins only when you were eighty years old, and then you go home to fast and pray for about eighty days. Fasting and praying for eighty days is just chronic suicide. No! She did this when she was forty years old.

I have to tell you, if it is a woman who loves God deeply, then she is the type to bring bad luck to her husband, well, do not be afraid, maybe God will remember you for the sake of remembering your husband. If I told you that the woman looks like Ruth, if she crushes several, also Therum, these are all crush their husband.

She holds a child that is only two months old, how to live? Say it, how to live? Ah? Offer the two coins, in the alms box. Lived one more day today, the other day will always be two coins. Do the same thing again? Third day; yes, the method that God uses have too many way to let her put it in. What is it like when she is sixty years old? Follows the same thing. So how old is she after?

Twenty years old trembles trembles, because her heart goes up and down. Isn't, dies if she dies! In anyway, this is the two coins, if she dies she dies.

Today brothers and sisters, you have to know, Macedonia, is like here. I tell you if it is someone really willing to donate. One time when I believed in the Lord, I trembled with the donation. I almost did not donate. When it comes to mind, wow, that is to show and tell everyone, it is a piece of you. Really almost let a part of.

First and before everything else, I came to the teaching class, the older teacher was teaching me on the stage about what to do, about donating. This day, I did not listen properly to any of the things that he said, to give it all to God! When I walk one step at a time, I decided to donate everything. Because, the salary is only about a thousand or so, even if you bite the bullet donate one hundred or so. So what do you give now? A hundred or so is really not something big.

Donations are a grace from God. Tell us again that Paul has this extra donation given to Jerusalem. You thought that you would lose out.

I tell you to do it and it is completely your free will. I will say one thing when it comes to donation that is a blessing. I ask you that these people in church, when they donate do they known the meaning of donating. Do they know it is a grace? Today slowly deliberate, those people who knowingly give, are donations from God. This event, since when do you know you will donate? There was a widow and last two coins. If you don't donate, what does she eat and drink? Did God just start being good to this widow? No!
Those brothers and sisters that donate, the same is for these widows!

Because of our God and the faith. The donations and grace from God. It is important to give it with a happy heart. The offering of the God.

In the end and eventually, I tell you a person cannot be selfish. Therefore, these are all donating people, with this the Macedonian people have offered donations to God.

4. Giving is Grace

The thing you have to know. People are not going to thank you! The Corinthians have been helped so so much too? They are also people.

Does God really thank her? No. If one day you can be selfish with yourself. No! God will not bless you and come back on you!

Therefore, what you have to know. Did you know that giving is grace and now I ask you it is donating money? What do you donate, make sure that you donate. Tell that a donating donater, it really bad. If everyone one do donations and donation is from God. Be in shock donation, donations are like you are cutting off a piece of you. Did you almost donate?

One day I was in teaching lessons and almost became a christianity. In the end and eventually, the class I didn't listen at all to learn anything! Painfully, donations for donations and donations! Went halfway and I really don't know anything! Just give it! You have to donate with a open heart in order to see, and in and out donate with it. I tell you during that year, I received so many wealth that comes back again. It is a reward for God. Therefore, everything donating is form God!

Let me tell you, the colleague who received the award with me later, we were both promoted step by step, eventually becoming senior management in higher education institutions. This offering is truly grace. Isn't it? If I were Paul, and there was such a good thing, would I not tell you? If there were such a good thing, sisters, sisters, there's a great thing, brothers, brothers, hurry, hurry, this great thing. When I see their expression, I know, you're not qualified yet. Isn't it? I have to say they're not qualified. So they don't know. So what did Paul say about doing this? It was for the benefit of the Corinthians.

Giving my judgment in this matter; for this is profitable for you, who a year ago started not only to do this, but also to desire it. (2 Corinthians 8:10)

If it's not beneficial to you, I won't do it. This is Paul. Today, I must also tell you, would I do something that's not beneficial to you? I wouldn't. Do I need what I'm begging for, acting like I'm benefiting? Do I need it? I don't need it. Do I need your offering? I don't need it. So for the benefit of the Corinthians, you see, offering is grace. Paul makes this very clear.

For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have. (2 Corinthians 8:12)

Offering is grace, a willing offering is acceptable. You are willing, not unwilling. Today, after I finish speaking, maybe you'll feel like when I went home after class. It's not that you decided to get baptized, but baptism requires tithing. Oh my goodness, talking about money is tough, people are poor. But now still, now if you ask me in my life, the wisest decision I've made is tithing. I really don't want to live a poor life. I really don't want to live a poor life. You want to live a poor life?

When I was discussing ministry with some colleague leaders, he said a preacher came to study with us. In my heart, I felt a bit uneasy. Why? Because many preachers have something strange in their bones. I've seen plenty of preachers in debt. So if you're a preacher in debt, I must give a reminder, to our pastors and colleagues, a reminder. If the core isn't clean, you can't solve the attitude problem to money first. We haven't talked about giving your life to God yet, have we? Then you say I want to give my life to God, but when they really want your life, you run away. Because he really has that one life he treasurers. I want to give an offering, I want to have 100 million, then I'll give an offering, but he really doesn't have that 100 million. Isn't it?

I ask you, do you think Paul faced the same situation with the church in Jerusalem? The same situation. So offering is grace, a willing offering is acceptable. I have to say, I have to thank God, God has made me a wealthy person, a wealthy preacher. Not because of anything else, it’s because I gave a willing offering. From the first day I made a decision and tasted the sweetness for a lifetime. The amount of offering is not small. It’s a lot and lot and lot of money. But why? Because this is grace. A willing offering is acceptable. Why not acceptable? Can anyone be pleased if you give God a tip? Don't ever do that.

Dropping two coins for a waiter is not grace. So people need to know what grace is. Offering should be according to what he has, not according to what he does not have. People are very strange, do you know? If, if it happens, it goes wrong. If he has one hundred million, then he’ll give offering, in fact he doesn’t have 100 million. Paul was being quite sarcastic when he wrote this sentence. If he had heard Ge You's joke that year, he would have written: If I had 100 million, I would definitely give an offering. As a result, people saw that he had a car and asked him if he had offered the car? He said no, I only have one car.

This is the situation with the Corinthians. Paul said that offering should be according to what he has, not according to what he does not have. Because if it is based on what he does not have , you have to add if, isn’t it? If it is based on all he has, there is no need for if. Oh, after the Corinthians read this, let me tell you, they were so ashamed. Isn’t it? Paul said, don't talk about those useless things. If you had one hundred million, do you have it today? No, let's not talk about that. How much money do you have today? I have one hundred. Okay, then let’s talk about how much of this hundred you give for offering, isn't it?

Add if and it will be troublesome. So about this matter, Paul poked holes one by one in the hearts of these Corinthians. Oh, they wanted to dig a hole, jump in and bury themselves, wanting not to hear, not to hear, not to hear. Is there? Ah, let me tell you, why don't preachers dare to talk about offering in church today? Because they think talking about offering is embarrassing. Then you say that talking about offering is embarrassing, and you are afraid that talking about offering will cause people to run away. Can that be called building a church? Today, there are still some people who are half-believing among us. Let me tell you, if you are unemployed today, if your company goes bankrupt today, if Dongshi closes down, and you have no income.

You have to reflect on yourself, reflect on what kind of person you are in your bones. Brothers and sisters, if there are dirty thoughts in our bones, there is no need to act them out, God examines people's hearts. Like our Chinese Mingding Destiny, or a pastor like me who dares to speak so frankly, there are not many, are there? Isn't it? Today, we really have to reflect on whether we are people who love money, whether we are controlled by Mammon, people who are deceived by Mammon's lies. Are we really willing to offer ourselves to God? Really willing to offer to God? Is it? Then are you really willing to offer money to God? Are you really willing to offer to God, then what about your time? We really have to reflect.

I can tell you everyone, this is grace, brothers and sisters, I really don't want you to suffer losses, isn't it? The company is going to close down, right? Yes? How come you can't do anything right? Why don't you have God's grace? If you have God's grace, even if you are not too smart, you can still do it. I have seen many people; their brains are not very good, but they still love God. They live well, don’t they? Really willing to give offering, it is really grace. So in this Paul urging the Corinthians on this matter, he described this matter of grace very clearly. What did he say?

As it is written: “The one who had much did not have too much, and the one who had little did not have too little.” (2 Corinthians 8:15)

Can you understand? In Exodus, people are foolish is that they are foolish on this matter. These people collected manna, oh, I have to collect more. Look at this person’s heart. Some people, oh, no need, just collect a little bit. The result was that those who collected more did not have any left over; they ate it all and it was gone. Those who collected less did not lack anything; they ate and were full, and did not lack anything. How miraculous! Isn't it? It is so magical.

As a result, some people collected two portions and left it until the next day, and it was already full of worms. And they were starving. Why? Oh, if God doesn't send it down tomorrow, won't we go hungry? I'll collect two portions. He thought he was very smart, but what happened? He was harmed by his own unbelief. God criticized these Israelites, You unbelieving and rebellious generation, how long will I be with you? Why don't you believe that God will provide every day? If God provides every day, why should we collect an extra portion? Isn't it?

Today, brothers and sisters, never rely on money that has no power. Rely on God today. This is great grace, because money can't buy health. I have really seen many people who have money but no health, and they live very uncomfortably. The one who had much did not have too much, and the one who had little did not have too little, because only God's grace can truly satisfy us. Okay? I think everyone should know that offering is God’s grace. Not just two copper coins, or two dollars, right? Two silver dollars, not copper coins, or two Bitcoins, how about it? Two Bitcoins is a lot. How much is one Bitcoin worth? More than seven thousand U.S. dollars huh. More than seven thousand U.S. dollars. Oh my god, the one who had much did not have too much, and the one who had little did not have too little. This is God's law.

Why? Because God wants people to have faith in God, not in money. Otherwise, if everything goes smoothly for you, many sorrows will be added to you. Is this grace? This is grace. Then what about the Corinthians? The Corinthians still need to receive Paul's opinion so that he can tell them, explaining that this is beneficial to you. I think people don’t know how awesome God is. If people really knew how awesome God is, they would know that giving is offering is grace. I will say it again even today. When I decided to give offering, that was the most intelligent decision I have made in my life.

I am moved when it comes to offering, I am addicted. Later, a certain pastor organized a trip to Israel, and I got excited and gave offering. After giving offering, infact that time it was not 100. It was ten thousands. That ten thousands Singapore dollar is 50 thousands RMB. Later I realise that the money I have give for offering. The pastor looking like Jesus but his bone is very bad. Oh, I recognised him. I sit beside him in the plain went to Israel. Oh my god, when my nose problem happened, he got very annoyed with me, I coughed. The nose bleeding all over. Oh, it so noisy to him that he cannot sleep, he hated me and don't help me to pray.

Later than I knew that he is the speaker. I said oh my god , it is so stumbling. Oh .my offering is use for inviting him. Hairs! Hair! Hair! Hair. Later, thanks God I don't fall down. So every time I don't lack

Today I have to tell everyone my opinion, the one who has much is not too much, the one who has little is not too little.

In the past these years, I have really experienced this; that all the needs of the church are met in God. God gives us supply not only of money, but also talent. What kind of people we need, God supplies you with that kind of person, saving us a lot of money. Today we blessed a lot of people, we kept giving out. Today we as brothers and sisters must know that this is a giving church. A giving that trains people for offering.

Do you know when those started the church, the church brothers and sisters have problem in finding a job. Have problem in renting house, the church train people for selfish. I prepare the meal and give them to eat, and teach the brother and sister selfish. Later I changed the logic to get a bottle of water, I use 20 cant to sell. and you pay 1 dollar I use 20 cant to get the water and sell to you at 1 dollar. What is my logic? My logic is to teach people for offering. Finally what? Renting house no problem, finding a job no problem, life no problem. Praise the lord. The salary no problem

Training people to give offering, so am I not letting you to get problem by telling you

5: Offering is also testing people's love

Do you have a heart of love for God? Yes. But I don't offer. What do you think of this love? Do you have a heart of love for God? Yes, but I don't have time. So what do you have time to do? I have time to chat. I tell you, offering, whether it is money or time, is actually offering one’s life. If people love God, they will offer their lives to God, which is holy.

Whatever belongs to God, belongs to Jehovah, is holy. Do you understand? It belongs to Jehovah and is holy. Today, you and I must engrave a word on our foreheads, which is Holiness to Jehovah. Not because of what you have done, but because you have offered yourself to God. But the problem comes. How do you know you have offered yourself to God? How do you know? Look at the offering. You can tell by people's attitude toward money. People's attitude toward money is very important. People either love money or love God. If you love God, you no longer love money. If you love money, you cannot love God. Do you all understand now?

Where is the love of the Corinthians? With faith, Paul told the Corinthians, I believe you love God. If you really love God, would Paul need to write so much?
I tell you, don't trust people easily, especially those who have not been tested. If you are in love and see a boy showing you extreme love, would you really believe it? If you really believe it, you may be deceived. You need to verify his sincerity yourself. After you try, you will know whether his feelings are real or fake.
Imagine if he said he loved you and was willing to spend 200,000 yuan for you, would you really believe it? Many times, such love is not real.

In today's society, true love is hard to find. Have the people around you really found true love? I tell you, one try will tell. The problem is, the other person is also a person, how does he prove his love for you? Liars are the easiest to say sweet lies, using their mouths to weave all kinds of sweet words, without taking any responsibility or paying a penny. Therefore, when facing interpersonal relationships, especially emotional issues, we must be more cautious and must pass the test of practical actions and time to distinguish between true and false feelings.

Finally, I tell you, everyone must have some understanding of this. How do you understand it? You must know that people are very self-loving. Why does he want to marry you? Because it is for himself; why does she want to marry you? Because it is for herself. What do you think if two selfish people together? They will say, teachers, actually I am not sure how it works at the beginning. Actually he or she is not sure because he or she want to get advantage from the opposite. Actually, I am not sure how could I marry him. Actually did not happen. Then how does it become not sure? Because later prove it is not what I want, then could not became is not sure at the beginning. What is this actually happened? Later I am not sure how to have baby. Actually happening is become that. Therefore. You give it a give.

Of course, the relationship between man and God is also tested. The relationship between man and God is whether you can withstand the test given by God. If you read the story of Abraham in Genesis chapters 12 to 26, God tested Abraham again and again, and after each test, Abraham persevered. God said: I will surely bless you. You will possess the gate of your enemies, do you understand? All nations will be blessed through you, this is victory. Why? Because of testing. So be careful of people who have not been tested.

In fact, I often test people. After the test, sometimes I just give a gentle reminder, a light reminder. I told you my opinion, and then I see, ah, I understand. Then, there is no need to give more difficult problems. It means the small test has failed and cannot pass. So Paul tested people, and money is a thing that tests people. Money tests people greatly. Look, Paul received donations and prepared to send them to Jerusalem. Someone started saying, maybe it was really someone from Jerusalem who said it, I don't know, maybe. What did they say? Because we received many donations, people are picking on our faults.

In their hearts they are holding money, others are holding the lord. But People look at it and said there donation is so much. Definite that there is a fishy here inside. In that days the money it is gold and silver? In that era there are not so much cash.So people are picking? Seeing there are a lot of money.

Paul meet a big problem which he need to deliever the donation item to Jerusalem. If anything happen in the Middle way what will happen?

Oh Paul picked a Non favour man

Therefore to donate show love and kindness. To give out love and be tested

Hope to give and hope we get from god. We need the holy spirit with us. Bless all that

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大家好,今天我们来看《哥林多后书》第八章。《哥林多后书》第八章的经文虽然在这里没有完整呈现,但主题十分明显。我找到的主题叫做“奉献是恩典也是试验”。 你有没有听我说过耶路撒冷教会的坏话啊?如果你常听我说耶路撒冷教会的坏话,其实不是。我只是把耶路撒冷教会,他们把教会搞成这个样子的事实告诉你。其实,耶路撒冷教会他们折腾来折腾去,折腾到穷,穷得叮当响。所以第一点呢,就是讲保罗要为耶路撒冷教会募捐。那么耶路撒冷教会跟保罗是什么关系呢?是保罗的母会。听明白了吗?也就是说,保罗他很清楚,他建立的教会是从耶路撒冷教会那边,一个字一个字分出来的。 耶路撒冷教会再败坏,仍然是他的母会。这是保罗厉害的地方。如果按照我们的水平,或者说按照我的水平,这样做好像有点难,是不是?你看你们把教会给搞成这个样子了,我还没指指点点呢,我还给你捐钱呢。你们把教会搞得穷得叮当响,当年你们是怎么干的,现在却这样,我大概就会这样说。所以你可能随时听我,批评耶路撒冷教会的言辞,觉得有点苛刻。其实我告诉你,我就是不希望大家掉到耶路撒冷教会的那种光景当中。

那耶路撒冷教会怎么就掉到这种光景当中了呢?怎么就变得穷得叮当乱响的呢?就是让教会的弟兄姐妹,变卖了所有的财产,然后就到教会来吃。我问你什么东西能这么干呢?不干活,每天聚会掰饼,有没有?聚会掰饼。我就觉得这是什么教会啊?这教会如果不穷才怪呢?肯定会穷。他不干正事的。 所以保罗其实对耶路撒冷教会的这个,他们的神学体系那是完全不认同。而且哥林多教会跟耶路撒冷教会,带来的败坏是脱不了关系的。那也就是说,为什么保罗还要奉献,还不对他们识别善恶呢?这事儿就让我们很诧异,是不是? 我告诉你,保罗是个犹太人。保罗这个犹太人他深深知道神的心意。你知道他知道神的心意知道到什么程度吗?他说,我宁愿与主分离,也希望我自己的同胞,我自己的这些犹太人,能够认识耶稣基督为主。很可惜啊,保罗有没有带着这些捐相,带着提多还有另外一位弟兄,把这捐项都运到了耶路撒冷。就在这个件事上保罗被抓了。而且为了这个捐项,到了耶路撒冷捐献,被抓、坐牢,后来移送到罗马。 你说这事儿上哪儿说理去啊,但是在保罗的言辞当中,没有流露出半点怨气、没有怨言,他深深地知道,耶稣基督是犹太人,耶稣基督是从犹太人出来的。我们这些外邦人的教会,不过是野葡萄。人家真正的根儿是亚伯拉罕、希伯来人,亚伯拉罕、以撒、雅各。可是今天我们能够蒙了这恩典,不是因为人家耶稣基督,因为人是犹太人吗,是不是?

我们不过是个野葡萄,能够结在这葡萄树上,所以我们是蒙了这恩典。所以保罗深深认识神的心意。当年你知道吗?神要把以色列人灭掉,然后兴起摩西和摩西的后裔。但是其实我跟你讲,当时摩西很厉害。摩西所采取的态度跟保罗很像,就是我与主隔绝,涂抹就涂抹我的名。我告诉你这是一种奉献的精神,献给神的精神,完全没有了自己,完全没有了自私的动机。 我告诉你,基督徒是很自私的。为什么基督徒是很自私的?所有的东西都是自私的逻辑。为什么要信主?因为我死了以后可以上天堂。能上的去啊,就那样。为什么要奉献?因为奉献我可以蒙祝福。为什么要服侍?因为服侍,神可以给我更多恩典。 是不是真的呢?是真的,但这动机也太low了吧。 所以这耶路撒冷教会,他不管是对是错,那不是咱们的事儿。本身它就是一个试验。我告诉你,我们基督徒在这世上,基督徒在这世上遇到的层层面面的试验。到底你是不是真正的一个不识别善恶的人?你是不是真正能够认识神,真正能够了解神的心意,我不担心将来,到了哪儿,到了天上啊,还是灵界里都见到了彼得,我不担心啊。那我担心那个干啥呀,是不是?见到了,可能他还不太好意思 。

我们今天要知道,这耶路撒冷教会这么穷,保罗为什么?因为保罗很希望,耶路撒冷的教会能够领受,他从耶稣基督所传承下来的这套神学体系。那是宝贝啊。所以保罗就要在做这样的事儿,就到处去宣扬。其实这个事儿,这个项目推动了一年多了。那问题是说保罗写的《哥林多后书》的第八章,这是关系勉勉强强修复好了,才提这个奉献的事儿。那我就问你,哥林多教会愿意奉献吗? 大家说说看。如果愿意奉献,就不用废话一堆了。是不是?愿意奉献还用写这个吗?就是保罗听说这哥林多人呢,其实里头有很多微词的。说起来就是让保罗其实很伤心。那为什么收奉献?是收给耶路撒冷。钱到他那儿一过一手,还说不定,多少送到耶路撒冷去了呢?是不是自己克扣了一半啊?是不是? 我跟你讲,这人哪,如果你是有个小人之心,肯定是用小人之心度量保罗的心胸。哥林多教会不愿意奉献的呀。愿意奉献就不写这段话了。所以保罗说哥林多教会的人,都是很属肉体的。但是保罗开导他们。我跟你讲,这缘分格,这缘分格太棒了。有一两次你可能会听我说,哇,你真是一个爱主的人。是那么回事吗?弟兄姐妹听过我讲这话吗?哎呀,你真是生来就是有命定的人。

是那么回事吗?如果是那么回事我就不说了。是不是?为什么要这么说?就是巴不得你能够成为一个有命定的人。巴不得你是一个爱神的人。所以我一夸你就知道是不是在骂你啊,是不是在贬你啊,有的时候是很无奈啊。是不是啊?很无奈。那你说你怎么说?哥林多教会他们体现出来的那种态度,真的是很糟糕的态度。 所以讲来讲去,哥林多还真有葛优,我要是有一个亿我就奉献了。因为没有一个亿,所以就喜欢说空话﹐放空炮啊,这就是哥林多人。所以我们在牧养和服侍当中,你好好去独立判断啊。那挺有学问的,所以我告诉你,做传道人,常常凭着信心选择,选择相信你,认为你是有命定的,听明白了吗?哥林多教会不太愿意奉献。

你以为保罗缺哥林多人的奉献吗?不缺。但是为什么还要用马其顿这些跟他们比呢?让他们争竞,让他们攀比。你奉献多少?奉献一个亿,我俩亿。你奉献多少?你奉献两百万,我来三百万。你以为是在拍卖场吗?不是。保罗对此感到非常无奈,用马其顿的众教会来激励哥林多人。如果你听我说某某弟兄某某姐妹,然后讲他们怎么怎么样,是想激励你一把,这是从保罗那里学的。你看人家是吧?用马其顿教会来做榜样,我来念给你听。 **弟兄们,我把 神赐给马其顿众教会的恩告诉你们,就是他们在患难中受大试炼的时候,仍有满足的快乐,在极穷之间还格外显出他们乐捐的厚恩。(《哥林多后书 》8:1-2 )** 弟兄们,我把神给马其顿众教会的恩告诉你们,你以为那是吃亏吗?那是恩。什么恩呢?就是他们在患难中受大试炼的时候仍有满足的快乐。你以为他们怎么满足吗?如此满足。在极度贫穷中还显出,他们格外显出乐捐的好恩典。 我们今天都是有钱才捐,人马其顿是没有钱也照样捐。你说那你哪来的钱?哪来的钱?我告诉你,这是恩,是恩典。所以马其顿人经历了什么?经历了恩典。如果我今天讲完了,你弄完了以后没有恩典。老师,那我咋没有,马其顿咋有?这没有。人家马其顿人是怎么做的?人家马其顿人是甘心乐意的。听明白了吗?你是在那试探神,那完全是两回事。

如果人不甘心乐意奉献,不知道奉献是恩典,那不会了吗?好像你给上帝点小费。 是,给我拿来盘菜,来盘炒粿条,怎么这么慢呢?服务员服完了,这服务员一把桌子擦干净了。啪!两块钱小费。我问你这事能这么对待神吗?对待不了。所以马其顿人是怎么说的呢? **我可以证明,他们是按着力量,而且也过了力量,自己甘心乐意地捐助,再三地求我们,准他们在这供给圣徒的恩情上有份;(《哥林多后书 》8:3-4 )** 我问你,马其顿跟耶路撒冷有什么关系?不知道,我们真的不知道,马其顿教会跟耶路撒冷有啥关系,没啥关系。但是他们愿意在这恩情上有份,是不是啊?让人家,哎呀,这恩情上有份。

那哥林多教会你不是接待过彼得吗?是不是啊?接待过彼得,接待过可能也接待过雅各,也接待过这个亚波罗,还接待过很多。你们跟这关系不是挺好吗?怎么到了奉献的时候就不行了呢?还得把马其顿人搬出来。我告诉你,用马其顿人激励哥林多人,这是无奈之举。因为保罗很想哥林多人得着这一出。我今天劝你,不是因为别的,是希望你能够得着福音的好处。如果我们信了主,我们信的那个极度自私的基督徒,想都别想,咒诅比众人都深。是不是啊? 那我们在干啥呢?是不是啊?神真的缺这几块钱吗?神不缺这几块钱。神为什么要这么干呢?因为就是试一下你。其实耶路撒冷变穷,其中有一个原因就是神试一下你,保罗,你真的是这么回事吗?你真的明白神的心意吗? 马其顿人怎么说呢?他说,照神的旨意,先把自己献给主,然后才奉献。你把自己都献给主,然后奉献。今天你要知道,谁奉献我都不感谢,我谢你干啥,又不是我收。你如果偷偷塞给我一包,我如果谢谢你,那叫行贿受贿。保罗需要这钱吗?不需要。神需要这钱吗?不需要。耶路撒冷真的需要这钱吗?其实你不给神照样养着,穷了已经那么多天了。 像那雅各到教会里,到圣殿里,一祷告,就祷告七个小时。一天吃不起一顿饭,两天吃不起一顿饭,反正要禁食祷告三天。是不是啊?我们可得认识神啊。今天你哪一样不是神给你的呀?就我们这个心态,哥林多人这心态,不拦阻神祝福他呀?要不然怎么教会就成那个样了,是不是?这个事儿,证明了一件事儿:奉献是恩典啊。他用马其顿证明这是恩典,那怎么就证明了马其顿人这事是恩典呢?我向你说一句刺激你的话。我问你,马其顿这些教会的人,是今天才知道奉献是恩典吗?不是,他们老早就知道奉献是恩典。

保罗又推一个奉献给耶路撒冷的额外的捐献,那可不是十一奉献,那是额外的一个捐献给耶路撒冷。结果这些马其顿人说:"这事我得有份儿。"你以为吃亏啊?吃亏的事你要吗?我也有一份。咱们投资这个公司吧,等这个公司赔他一个亿的时候,我也有一份。有这样的人吗?有吗?没有吧,当然有人是一开始是想赚钱,后来赔了,那就跟着一起赔了。 这马其顿人我告诉你不是第一天知道奉献是恩典,只是今天我得告诉你,愿意甘心乐意奉献的人,没有不知道这是恩典的。今天大家慢慢琢磨,没有不知道这是恩典的。这事儿从哪儿开始呢?曾经有一个寡妇,老太太,把仅有的两个铜钱,投到圣殿的奉献箱里了。她吃啥?她喝啥?很多人查《圣经》没我查得这么细。很多人就说这神太狠了。 我说脑袋有毛病,他说神太狠了。你以为他八十岁才想起来,奉献那两个铜钱啊,然后奉献完了回家,坐着禁食祷告八十天。禁食祷告八十天那不就是慢性自杀吗?是不是?不是!他四十岁来的时候他就这么干。那三十多岁的时候呢,二十多岁的时候呢,我看见二十多岁,他可能二十多岁,老公就死了。不知道啥症啊,反正说他老公可能是被他克死。 我可告诉你啊,这女人呢,如果说是她爱神爱得厉害啊,哇,克老公的啊,,你别害怕啊,或许神因为纪念你的缘故纪念你老公。我告诉你这女人如果说是像路德、克死了好几个、还有那个她玛,这都克夫的。我就说这些,暂时这么说着,别挑我理,我说的不太严谨。

结果手里抱着两个月的孩子,怎么活?你说怎么活?啊?你说怎么活?奉献,手里俩铜钱儿。颤颤悠悠的投到奉献箱里去了。结果又活了一天,第二天又剩下两通钱儿,又是这俩铜钱儿。哎,又去奉献去了。第三天,又有了,怎么有的我告诉你,神的办法太多,又放他放进去。我问你到了六十岁怎么样,照样这么干。七十岁怎么样,照样这么干,八十岁怎么样,照样这么干, 知道吗?哎哟,这寡妇儿,到了八十岁,我问你还颤颤悠悠吗?没有。二十岁的时候,颤颤悠悠,因为心里都七上八下。是不是,死就死了吧!反正就这俩铜钱儿,死就死了吧! 今天咱们弟兄姐妹可得知道,马其顿是这样,咱们这些人照样是这样。我告诉你,这是甘心乐意奉献之人。再三的求保罗说,给我们这个恩典。所以奉献是恩典,如果不是恩典,我告诉你保罗根本不需要你给我个奉献。奉献干啥,那你不奉献我哪有钱花啊。保罗不是这么说的。所以这是用奉献的人。那奉献的人用这件事证明了啥?我真的将自己献给主,然后也归顺了保罗他们。为啥?顺从了保罗所传讲的神学体系。

这事儿你可得知道。我问你奉献是恩典,今天我告诉你是献钱呢,还是献自己啊?我告诉你,一定是献,一定是献自己。如果一个人不知道奉献的意义。那可就坏了。我告诉你,奉献的人是不会吃亏的。我当年信主的时候,颤颤悠悠地做了一次十一奉献。那是颤颤悠悠的,不是因为我年老的颤颤悠悠,而是因为那个心情啊,哎呦我的天哪,就像割了一块肉似的。你知道吗?真的是割了一块肉。 第一天,我去上课,准备受洗成为基督徒,那位老先生给我讲课,上来就讲到十一奉献。哎呦我的天哪,那堂课什么也没听进去。哎呦我的天哪,痛苦得要死。痛苦的样子。我从教会上完课,满脑子全是十一奉献,十一奉献,哎呀。走到半路的时候,我一跺脚,决定全心奉献。因为啥?薪水不过一千来块钱,一千来块钱,咬咬牙就是一百多。那么现在呢?一百多,真的没啥大不了的。 我跟你讲,这一千多块钱,是不会让你一辈子富有的。我说得这么好吗?有啊。然后我就决定交十一奉献,然后我告诉你那一年,哇,就极丰厚的回报。我讲英文人家听不懂,人家讲英文我也听不太懂,就这么个水平。结果在一年下来,我被评为那个单位只选了两个,我是其中一个先进工作者。上台领奖啊,还有五百块钱奖金呢,我的天哪,挺好啊,五百块钱。那一下子就回报了40多块钱,一百来块钱。 我跟你讲,后来跟我一起领奖的那个同事,我们都一步一步升迁,后来都升迁成这种高等院校的高级管理人员啊。这奉献真是恩典啊。是不是?如果我是保罗,你说有这好事儿,我能不告诉你啊?有这好事儿,姐妹姐妹,这有个好事儿,弟兄弟兄,快点快点,这个好事儿,我一看那表情,得,你还没有资格。是不是?我就得说没有资格。所以他们不知道。所以保罗做这事儿他怎么说呢?是为了哥林多人的益处。

**我在这事上把我的意见告诉你们,是与你们有益;因为你们下手办这事,而且起此心意,已经有一年了,(《哥林多后书 》8:10 )** 如果与你们没有益处的事儿我不干。这就是保罗,今天我也得告诉你,对你们没有益处的事儿我能干吗?我不干,我干的事儿我求爷爷告奶奶的,然后好像我得什么益处?我需要吗?我不需要。你奉献我需要吗?我不需要。所以说为了哥林多人的益处,你看奉献是恩典,人家保罗把这事儿讲得明明白白。 **因为人若有愿做的心,必蒙悦纳,乃是照他所有的,并不是照他所无的。(《哥林多后书》 8:12 )** 奉献是恩典,甘心乐意的奉献必蒙悦纳。你愿意,不是不愿意。今天我跟你讲完了,可能你的感觉就跟我上完课回家,那不是决定要受洗,受洗就得交十一奉献。哎呦我的天哪,谈钱很辛苦的,人穷啊。但是现在还,现在你要问我这一辈子,做的最英明的决定,就是十一奉献。我可真的不想过穷日子,我真的不想过穷日子啊。穷日子你想过啊?

我跟一些同工的领袖在讨论事工的时候,他说我们这来了一个传道人在我们这学习。我心里头吧,就有点不太畅快。为啥呢?因为很多传道人骨子里的那个东西奇怪。我见过欠钱的传道人大把。所以如果你是个欠钱的传道人,我可得提个醒啊,咱们当中的牧者同工,提个醒。骨子里干净不了,干净不了先解决人对钱的态度问题。还没说把人的生命献给神呢,是不是?那你说我要把我的命献给神,真正要你的命的时候,脚底抹油跑了,因为他真有那一条命。我要奉献,我要有一个亿,我就奉献,他真的没有那一个亿。是不是? 我问你,你说保罗面对耶路撒冷的教会是不是也是这样,也是这样,所以这奉献是恩典,甘心乐意的奉献必蒙悦纳。我可得说一句啊,我得感谢神,神让我成为一个富有的人,富有的传道人。不是因为别的,是因为我甘心乐意的奉献,从第一天奉献我做了一个决定。尝到了甜头做了一辈子。那奉献的量可不是小数啊。那都是很多很多很多的钱。但是为什么?因为这是恩典。甘心乐意奉献必蒙悦纳。为什么不蒙悦纳?你给上帝小费谁能悦纳吗?你千万不要这样。 对待服务员时丢两个铜钱,那可不是恩典。所以说人呢,要知道什么是恩典。奉献应当是根据他所有的,而不是根据他所无的。人是很奇怪的,大家知道吗?这如果,一如果就坏了,如果一个亿再去奉献,其实他并没有一个亿。保罗写这句话时挺讽刺的,如果他当年听过葛优的笑话,他肯定写上:"我要有一个亿我肯定奉献。结果人家一看他说他有一辆车,就问他把车奉献了吗?他说不行,我真的只有一辆车。"

这哥林多人,情况就是这样儿。保罗说奉献应当是根据他所有的,而不是根据他所无的。因为如果根据他所无的就要加上"如果",是不是?如果根据他所有的就不用"如果"了。哎呀,这哥林多人读了以后,我跟你讲,别提有多羞愧了。是不是啊?保罗说别扯那些没用的。你要是有一个亿,你今天有吗?没有,咱就别说这个话。你今天有多少钱?我有一百。好,那咱就说这一百你奉献多少,是不是? 你如果加个“如果”就麻烦了。所以说这事儿,保罗把这些哥林多人的心戳得一个窟窿一个窟窿的。哎哟,想挖一个坑,跳进去埋上土躲起来,不想听不想听不想听。有没有?啊,我跟你讲,今天传道人为什么不敢在教会里讲奉献?因为他觉得讲奉献丢人。那你说讲奉献丢人,讲奉献怕是把人给讲跑了。你那还叫建教会啊?今天在咱们当中还有一些人﹑半信不信的。我跟你讲你今天如果失业了,今天你公司破产了,东施倒闭了,没有收入了。 你要好好反思你自己啊,好好反思一下你自己到底骨子里是个什么样的人。弟兄姐妹,我们如果骨子里头有那种肮脏的意念,不用行出来,神鉴察人的心。像我们华人命定神学,或者像我这个牧师这么敢讲的,不太多吧?是不是?今天我们真的得反思一下,我们到底是不是爱钱的人,到底是不是被玛门辖制,被玛门的谎言所欺骗的人,真的愿意将自己献给神吗?真的愿意献给神吗?是不是?那你真的愿意献给神的钱呢?你真的愿意献给神,那你的时间呢?我们真的得反思。

我可告诉大家呀,这是恩典啊,弟兄姐妹,我真的不希望你吃亏呀,是不是?公司要关了吧,是吧?怎么干啥啥不行,为啥没有神的恩典。如果有神的恩典,就算是不太聪明,都可以。我见的很多啊,脑子不是特别好使,但是就是爱神。活得也挺好,是不是?真的愿意奉献,真的是恩典。所以在这个保罗劝哥林多人这事儿上,把这恩典这件事儿描述得清清楚楚。他怎么说呢! **如经上所记:多收的也没有余;少收的也没有缺。(《哥林多后书》 8:15 )** 你能理解吗?在这个《出埃及记》里头,我跟你讲,人笨就笨在这儿。这些人收吗哪,哎呀,我可得多收点儿。你看这人的心。有的人哎呀,不用了,收点儿就行了。结果发现啥呢?多收的没有余,吃完了也没了。少收的也不缺,吃了也挺饱,没缺。好神奇啊,那神奇得不得了啊。是不是?神奇得不得了。 结果有的人就都收了两份,留到第二天已经长虫子了。然后饿透了。他为啥呢?哎呀,明天如果神不降下来,咱不挨饿吗?我收俩份。他以为自己很聪明,结果怎么着?被自己的不信害惨了。神就批评这些以色列人,你们这些不信又悖逆的世代,我要在你们这里几时呢?为什么不相信神每天会供应呢?如果神每天都会供应,我们至于多收一份吗?是不是?

今天弟兄姐妹千万不要依靠没有能力的钱财。今天就依靠神。这是极大的恩典,因为钱买不来健康。我真的见过很多有钱但是没有健康的人,活的非常难受。多收的没有余,少收的也不缺,因为只有神的恩典,才可以使我们真正满足。好吗?我想大家应该知道,奉献是神的恩典。不单单是两个铜钱,或者两个美元,是不是?两块银元,不是铜钱,也不是两个比特币,怎么样?两个比特币那可是多了啊。一个比特币多少钱?七千多美元了啊。七千多美元呢。哎呀我的天哪,多收的没有余,少收的也不缺。这是神的规律。 为什么呢?因为神就是要让人对神有信心,而不是对钱有信心。要不然你事事顺利,收获之后,很多愁苦会加在你的身上。这是不是恩典呢?这是恩典。那么哥林多人呢?哥林多人还得通过保罗,把保罗的意见告诉他们,还得说明这是对你们有益的。我觉得,人不知道神有多厉害。如果人真的知道神有多厉害,就知道奉献是恩典。直到今天,我再说一遍。当年我决定做奉献的时候,那是我这一辈子做的最聪明的决定。 我就很感慨啊,奉献上瘾了。后来某某牧师组织去以色列,我一激动就奉献了。奉献完了,其实那个时候奉献就不是一百了,是上万了。那一万新币就是五万人民币啊。后来我发现我奉献的钱用来请讲员。后来我发现那个讲员外貌像耶稣,但骨子里挺坏啊。哎呀,我跟他识别呐。我坐在他旁边,坐飞机一起去。哎呦,我的天哪,我这鼻炎犯了以后他就烦我,我老打喷嚏。哎呀,都是血,满鼻子流血。哎呦吵到他睡觉了,他嫌弃我,也不给我祷告。

后来我才知道他是讲员。我说我的天哪,这太绊倒人了。哎呦,我的奉献就是请的他啊。哎呦哎呀哎呀哎呀。后来,感谢神没有跌倒。所以说我从来不至于缺乏。今天我得把我的意见告诉大家,多收的没有余,少收的也不缺。 那在过去这些年,我真的经历了这个。就是教会所有的需要,在神那里得到满足。神给我们的供应不单单是钱,还有人才。我们需要什么样的人,神就给你供应一个什么样的人,省了老些个钱了。今天我们祝福的人多呀,我们不断地给出去。今天咱们弟兄姐妹可得知道,这是一个给出去的教会,这是训练人奉献的地方。 你知道最早建立教会,教会的弟兄姐妹找工作出问题,租房子出问题,很多东西都出问题。为啥?教会训练人自私。我给他们预备好餐点,他们来吃,训练人自私。后来我改了,就是你在教会里拿一瓶矿泉水,我那矿泉水是两毛钱批发的,投一块钱硬币。我的逻辑是啥?我的逻辑是训练人奉献。结果怎么着?租房子的没有问题了,找工作的没有问题了,生活没有问题了,薪水没有问题了。感谢神啊!

训练人奉献的地方那你说我把这样的意见告诉你们,不是让你们吃亏。 你有爱神的心吗?有。但是我不奉献。你觉得这爱心怎么样?你有爱神的心吗?有,但是我没时间。那你有时间干啥去?有时间闲聊。我告诉你,奉献不管是金钱还是时间,其实奉献是指人的生命奉献。人如果爱神,就将自己的生命献给神,就是圣洁的。 什么东西归给神,归耶和华就为圣。听得懂吗?就归耶和华为圣。今天你和我在我们的额头上都要刻上一个字,叫做归耶和华为圣。不是因为你做了什么,而是因为你将自己献给神了。可是问题就来了。怎么才知道,你已经献给神了?那怎么知道?看奉献。你看人对钱的态度就知道了。人对钱的态度那是相当重要的。人要么爱钱要么爱神。要爱神就不再爱钱。爱钱无法爱神。这回大家明白了吗? 哥林多人的爱心在哪里?保罗凭着信心告诉哥林多人,我相信你们是爱神的。如果真的爱神,还需要保罗写这么多话吗? 我告诉你,别轻信人,尤其是未经试验的人。假如你在恋爱中,看到一个男孩对你表现出极度的爱意,你真的会相信吗?如果你真的相信,那你可能就被骗了。你需要亲自验证一下他的真心。你试过之后,你就会知道他的感情是真是假。 想象一下,如果他说他爱你,并且愿意为你花二十万元,你真的会相信吗?很多时候,这样的爱是不真实的。

在当今社会,真爱难寻。你身边的人真的找到了真爱吗?我告诉你,一试便知。问题是,对方也是一个人,他怎么证明他对你的爱呢?骗子最容易说出动听的谎言,用一张嘴就能编织出各种甜言蜜语,却不用承担任何责任,也不用付出一分钱。如此,我们在面对人际关系,尤其是情感问题时,要更加慎重,必须通过实际行动和时间的检验,以辨别真情与假意。 最后我告诉你啊,大家得对这东西有点认识。怎么认识呢?你得知道人都是非常爱自己的。他为什么要娶你,因为他为他自己;她为什么要嫁给你,因为她为她自己。那你说两个自私的人在一起,过着过着,就会说什么话呢?我碰到的很多在咱们教会里头。他说,老师,我当时我也不知道怎么就稀里糊涂就谈了个恋爱。其实当时是不糊涂的,是想从人家得着好处。哎呀,我糊里糊涂我就嫁给他了。其实也不是。那为什么变得糊里糊涂了呢? 因为后来证明发现不是我要的,你拿不到自己想要的那些东西,所以就变当时糊里糊涂。是什么回事?后来我糊里糊涂就生了一个孩子。啊?都是当时很清醒,也许生个孩子就会怎么怎么样,结果出轨了吧?所以都是这些事儿。你试一下就知道。 当然人和神之间的关系也是经过试验,人和神之间的关系,就是你能不能够抗得住神赐的考验。如果你读亚伯拉罕的故事,在《创世记》十二章到二十六章,神试验亚伯拉罕一次又一次,每一次试验完了,亚伯拉罕都撑过去了。**神就说:“论福,我要赐大福给你。你要得着仇敌的城门,明白了吗?万国万民都要因你得福,那是得胜。**为什么?因为试验。”所以没有经过试验的人要小心。 其实我常常试验人。试验完了以后,我有的时候就是淡淡地提个醒,轻轻地提了一个醒。把我的意见告诉了你,然后一看,啊,明白了。再接下来,不用再出更难的难题了。就是小考都失败了,小考都过不了关。所以保罗试验人,钱财这东西很试验人。钱财这东西非常刺激人。你看啊,保罗收了捐款准备送到耶路撒冷。有人就开始说了,可能还真的是耶路撒冷那边的人来说的,也不知道,也未可知。说什么呢?因为我们收的捐项很多,就挑我们的不是。

心里装的是钱啊。人家保罗装的是神,人家装的是钱。但是人一看,哇,他收的这么多,一定是这里头有猫腻啊。那个年代的钱,就是银子,是吧?要么是金子,要么是银子,要么是珠宝啊。那个年代没有那么多纸钞,不是纸钞的年代。所以就挑不是,是挑不是吗?是看着钱挺多呀,是不是啊?看着钱挺多。 所以保罗其实后来也遇到了一个难题,就得把这捐项送到耶路撒冷去,如果送到半道,自己扮演了一出戏,头丢了,被抢了,你看我腿都被砍了一刀。你不麻烦了吗?哎哟,保罗挑来挑去,挑来挑去,挑了一个终于挑了一个不爱钱的人,然后可以把这捐项送到耶路撒冷。 所以我想奉献金钱,非常试验人的爱心。非常试验人的爱心。所以我想今天奉献是恩典,也是试验。愿神能够在各样的试验上,让我们得到更多的恩典。一定要知道神老厉害了。那些没有工作的,那些正在找工作的,或者公司快要倒闭的,或者你快要失业的,今天养成一个新的习惯,依靠神。 愿神祝福大家!
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