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【Topic: The Myth of Church Size - Sharing on April 21, 2019】

Let us talk about the myth of church size. Why talk about this? Because it is a matter of life and death. I often hear Christians say: This church is good. This church has many people, a grand scene! Later, I looked for a basis in the Bible. We must cultivate a habit, and everything we do must have a biblical basis.

Where did the pursuit of church size begin? It started with Peter in the Book of Acts. Peter preached a sermon one day, and three thousand people believed in the Lord. Later, he did something else, and five thousand people believed in the Lord. Later, a discipline of church growth was established in the United States, taught in seminaries. We have always felt that it should be like this. It is not that I think this is not good; I think this is quite good. However, as I gradually understood the Bible and began to understand the Word of God, we began to discover that it was not the case.

In the early days, I especially envied some pastors who preached a sermon, and five thousand people believed in the Lord. How wonderful! After a period of time, many problems emerged. I am not making an excuse or a defense for why my church does not have so many people. I think we should return to the Bible to see God's original intention. This is very important. How important is it? It lies in whether the church built has the presence of God!

Is it a problem that three thousand or five thousand people believe in the Lord? In fact, that is also God's work. However, if a church leader only pursues the size of the church, as the number of people continues to increase, the problem becomes more and more complicated. The Book of Acts speaks of these people who believed in the Lord, and the church was in chaos. They could not manage it. There were many complaints, and there were many messy things. Then they selected seven deacons and sent them to manage the meals.

After reading this, do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing? This is worth discussing. We have always thought it was a good thing, but looking further, what was the state of the entire church in Jerusalem, that is, the people who first believed in the Lord led by the apostles Peter and John? The Jerusalem church became a super poor church.

Is poverty spiritual? Poverty is a problem. Take my advice, if this place is very poor, not a temporary poverty, but a long-term poverty, until the Jerusalem church closed down later, it has always been in this state, we should reflect on where the problem started. The problem started with three thousand people believing in the Lord and five thousand people believing in the Lord.

Do Not Pursue Numbers, Start Pursuing God's Will

Three thousand or five thousand people believing in the Lord is God's work, but at that time, the apostles Peter and John were overwhelmed by this matter, because it was glorious to see so many people. Later, the Jerusalem church formed a sharp contrast with the Gentile church established by the apostle Paul.

The Jerusalem church was managed by James, who wrote the Book of James. James sent out people to continuously preach the law of Moses, while Paul continuously preached God's grace and faith, imitating Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and no longer the law of Moses. As a result, the concept of building a victorious church that the apostle Paul passed on was preserved in the Bible, and later became more and more prosperous. The Jerusalem church, including Peter, John, and James, became more and more衰败.

Which one prospered? It was the apostle Paul who prospered. Those who pursue numbers do not prosper, but those who do not pursue numbers prosper. Therefore, in the apostle Paul's teaching, there is no pursuit of numbers. He speaks of how to build a holy, united, and glorious church.

Later, when old John was very old, he wrote the Book of Revelation. The beginning of the Book of Revelation writes about seven churches. The seven churches are all about building victorious churches. What old John wrote is the heart of God, so building a victorious church is the key, and the number of people is not the key.

Let's go back and look at what Jesus, the apostles Peter, and John did back then. Jesus fed five thousand people with five loaves of bread and two fish, and later fed four thousand people with seven loaves of bread and five fish. That is to say, out of so many people who followed Jesus, about one hundred and twenty people remained, and a little more than that, five hundred people.

In fact, the Word of God must be read carefully. God chooses treasures in the world, not garbage. Therefore, we must bring God's people into God's kingdom, not collect garbage in God's kingdom. The church must constantly build a holy, united church with combat capability and full of God's glory.

The Disadvantages of Simply Pursuing Numbers

What about what the apostle Peter did? He did not do this cleanup work. These people who believed in the Lord, three thousand people and five thousand people, later voted Peter down and elected James, who was Jesus' physical brother. Many people in the world like to read the Book of James. Some people think it is very good, but I don't think it is good. Because no matter what, I cannot implement the things recorded in the Book of James in building God's glorious church.

Moreover, the reason why the Book of James exists is a response to Paul's letter to the Galatians. That is to say, the views are often opposing. When we see the opposition between the Book of James and the Letter to the Galatians in the Bible, what should we do? I would choose the apostle Paul's Letter to the Galatians and also choose to read Paul's other books. What did the later results prove? The gospel preached by Paul is effective.

Later developments have a lot of room for imagination. Paul was arrested in Jerusalem and sent to Rome for trial. Then there was a man named Luke, who was Paul's lawyer, who wrote the Book of Acts and the Gospel of Luke. We still don't know who Theophilus is, but the Book of Acts was written to Theophilus. Luke's writing is very good. When you read it, the things he wrote, especially in Acts chapter 15, you will find that the way James spoke is very interesting as long as you pay a little attention.

Therefore it is my judgment that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues. (Acts 15:19-21)

What does it mean to trouble? They should have kept the law of Moses, because he said later that the book of Moses is preached in every city and read in the synagogue every Sabbath. Therefore, they should keep the law of Moses. This was a long-term disagreement between Paul and James, but no matter what, Paul got what he wanted. Paul had Gentile Christians and also Jewish Christians, except that those churches were not in the Jewish area.

Paul established a set of concepts of a victorious church that was in accordance with God's heart and wrote it in 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians.

To Build a Glorious Church of God, We Must Cultivate Elite Soldiers of the Kingdom of God

I am arguing a point: if a church is pursuing numbers, that is very dangerous. If a church is full of many people, but we have not resolved the state of their belief, that is very dangerous. The church is the body of Jesus Christ, and it must not harbor filth. We must mold each individual into a disciple of Jesus Christ.

The church is a united team of Jesus Christ, this is key. We are like many products produced in a factory, only when the products meet the requirements, the quantity is effective. If we produce many products, but a large number of them are defective, then no matter how large the quantity is, it is useless.

Some time ago, I went to provide training for a company. They took out their charts, which were quality management charts. Quality management will definitely talk about Sigma. Six Sigma is equivalent to three to four defective products out of one million products. If 99% of the products we produce are waste products, then no matter how much the quantity is, it is useless. Quality management is calculated according to the proportion of waste products.

Building a church is like a club for loving God. If it is filled with a majority of people who do not love God, how can God dwell here? Because it is not built according to God's will. Therefore, the church should not pursue numbers. If there are numbers, then there are, if not, then so be it. Only in this way can we enter into God's heart. The Jerusalem church was a church that pursued numbers, so later it was mixed with all sorts of people, and there were many Pharisees and all kinds of sects in it, all in the church.

Among the pastors I know, there is one person who goes around preaching everywhere, and people come because of his fame, because he is very sensational and can speak well, and then many Christians run to him. His church faces extreme challenges. The pastors he hires also have different backgrounds, and there are many disputes in the church. When we were eating together, he lamented why his church had so many disputes. Later, the three pastors became three churches.

Later, these three churches still carried this concept, they called having many people revival. This kind of pursuit is deadly. I see such situations everywhere, and I scoff at them, because they are obviously not in accordance with God's will. Preaching in the church is very difficult. Why? Because the row on the left approves of speaking in tongues, and the row on the right does not approve of speaking in tongues. How do you preach on this?

We must restore a concept: we must build a church that is according to God's heart, a church filled with God's glory, a holy and united church. I must be frank with you, some of my colleagues are really loving. If it were according to my temperament, some people would be hard to keep. The important point of this matter is not whether there is love or not, but whether it is in accordance with God's will or not.

Some of our brothers and sisters may say, why are you telling me this? I tell you, our requirements for Christians have never been lowered. If you cannot do it, then may you have peace. There are many churches without requirements that you can go to, but what can you gain? Building a church not according to God's will is deadly. I do not care about the number of people at all. Many years ago, I told my brothers and sisters that even if there is only me left in the church, I will still build a victorious church according to God's word, and never gather a crowd of rabble.

We must begin to change again, if you can stay, you are within that 5%. Our survival rate is about 20:1, 95% are eliminated. Are you willing to be here? Or in a church without any requirements? You decide for yourself.

It is we who need God, not God who needs us. Without us, God still establishes his kingdom. It is not the church that needs us, it is we who need a victorious church. We all act according to God's will, and there is God's presence in this place, and this place can solve our problems.

A Church with God's Presence Has Power

There is a sister who followed me to believe in the Lord many years ago. Later, she developed depression and has now returned. In a church of tens of thousands of people, her group leader told her to see a psychologist. As a result, she came to me, knowing that there is God's presence here. If the church cannot even solve depression, then what is the church doing? Gathering a group of people to beat gongs and drums to perform a big show? It is useless. If you are willing to go to such a church, then may you have peace.

But we are determined to build God's victorious and glorious church, and the promises in the Bible are all ours. Not being victorious is a deadly thing! I used to pursue numbers, but now I do not pursue them anymore. Now I only pursue building a church according to God's word and his heart. When we build according to God's will, God's presence is among us.

Do not think that being a Christian is so difficult. It is like this. If you read Hebrews, why do you feel it is difficult? Because you have many things to do, right? Have the problems been solved? No. The financial situation has not been turned around, and many problems have not been solved. So today, we readjust this concept and build God's church according to God's word. If there is anything I do that does not comply with God's word, I will definitely change it.

Think about it carefully, you come among us to be healed and receive grace, not because you deserve it, but because before you, there was a group of people who built a victorious church according to God's word, and there is God's presence here. Then you come here, and this place becomes a place to bless you.

Some people are foolish. They are healed and then leave, and go enjoy life again. As a result, they get sick again and go to the hospital to see a doctor, giving the doctor so much money. You were healed here, so why do you dedicate so little to God? Later, they come back hurting all over and give testimony.

I think this kind of testimony can only testify to one thing, that is, there really is God's presence here! But are you willing to be like me? Someone said, how can you live like this believing in the Lord? I also want to ask you, how should you live like this believing in the Lord? Which one lives better? Of course, being a victorious Christian lives better, right?

May God bless everyone!

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【主题:教会人数的迷思-2019年4月21日分享】 我们来讲教会人数的迷思,为什么要讲这件事呢?因为这件事是很要命的。我经常听一些基督徒说:这个教会好。这教会人多,场面老大了!后来我就从《圣经》里面找根据,咱们必须养成一个习惯,做什么事都要有《圣经》依据。 教会追求人数是从哪儿开始的呢?是从《使徒行传》里面的彼得,彼得有一天讲了一篇道,三千人信主,后来又做了一件什么事,五千人信主,后来就在美国成立了一个教会人数增长的学科,在神学院里头讲教会增长。我们一直觉得应该是这样,不是说我认为这样不好,我认为这样挺好,可是后来慢慢对《圣经》开始了解,对神的话开始有一些了解,我们就开始发现,不是这么回事。 早期的时候,我就特别羡慕,有的牧师讲一篇道,五千人信主,多好啊!过了一段时间以后,很多的问题就表现出来,我不是为我自己教会人数没有那么多找一个借口,或者是一个辩解,是我觉得应该回到《圣经》里看神的本意,这是很重要的。重要的程度在什么地方呢?在于**建造的教会有没有神的同在!** 三千人,五千人信主是不是一个问题呢?其实那也是神的作为,但是如果一个教会的牧者单单追求教会的人数,随着人数不断地增长,问题就越来越复杂。《使徒行传》就讲了这些人信主以后,教会里面乱哄哄的,他们没有办法整,里面就有很多人发怨言,乱七八糟的事可多了,然后就选出七个执事,派他们管理饭食。

我们读了以后,你觉得这是个好事还是个坏事?这很值得商榷。我们一直以为是个好事,但是再往后看,整个耶路撒冷的教会,就是最早使徒彼得和约翰他们带领信主的那些人,他们变成了什么样的状况呢?耶路撒冷教会变成一个超级贫穷的教会。 贫穷很属灵吗?贫穷是个毛病。大家听我一句劝,如果这个地方非常的贫穷,不是一个短暂的,而是一个长期的贫穷,直到后来耶路撒冷教会黄了以后,一直都是这种状态,我们就要反思,问题是从哪儿开始的呢?问题从三千人信主,五千人信主开始的。 三千人、五千人信主,是神的作为,但是当时使徒彼得和约翰被这件事冲昏了头脑,因为人多看着风光啊,后来耶路撒冷教会跟使徒保罗所建立的外邦人教会形成一个鲜明的对比。 耶路撒冷教会被写《雅各书》的雅各掌管,雅各派出去的就不断传扬摩西的律法,保罗就不断传扬神的恩典和信心,效法亚伯拉罕、以撒、雅各,而不再是摩西的律法。结果使徒保罗他所传递的建立得胜教会的观念就保留在《圣经》里,后来就越来越兴旺。耶路撒冷教会,包括彼得、约翰、雅各,他们就越来越衰败。

到底哪个兴盛呢?是使徒保罗的兴盛。追求人数的反倒不兴盛,不追求人数的反倒兴盛,所以在使徒保罗的教导里面,是没有追求人数这件事,他讲得都是如何建立圣洁、合一、荣耀的教会。 后来老约翰岁数很大的时候就写了《启示录》,《启示录》开头就写了七间教会,七间教会都是写建立得胜的教会,老约翰写出来的都是神的心意,所以**建立得胜的教会那是关键,人数多和少不是关键。** 我们回来再看耶稣、使徒彼得和约翰当年所做的事。耶稣当年五饼二鱼喂饱五千人,后来七个饼五条鱼的时候喂饱了四千人,也就是说跟着耶稣呼呼啦啦那么多人,留下来的大概有一百二十个人,再扩大一点就是五百个人。 其实神的话要好好读,神在世上选的是宝贝,选的不是垃圾,所以我们要把神的百姓带到神的国里,不是把垃圾收在神的国里。**教会要不断地建造一个圣洁、合一、有争战能力的、充满神荣耀的教会。**

使徒彼得干的这事怎么办呢?他没有做这个清理的工作,三千人信主、五千人信主的这些人,后来就把彼得给选下去了,选了雅各,就是耶稣肉身的弟弟。世上与很多人喜欢读《雅各书》,有些人觉得很好,但是我觉得不好。因为我无论如何都不能把《雅各书》里所记载的这些东西,落实在建造神荣耀的教会上面。 而且《雅各书》之所以有,是对保罗写的《加拉太书》的一个回应,也就是说,观点常常是对立的。我们在《圣经》里面看到《雅各书》和《加拉太书》的对立之处的时候,我们该怎么办呢?我会选择使徒保罗的《加拉太书》,也会选择读保罗其他的书。后来的结果证明了什么呢?保罗所传的这套福音是有效的。 后来的发展就有很多可以想象的空间,是保罗在耶路撒冷被抓,送到罗马被审判。然后有一个人叫路加,做保罗的律师,就写了《使徒行传》和《路加福音》。我们到现在也不知道提阿非罗是谁,但《使徒行传》就是写给提阿非罗的。路加的文笔非常的好,你去读的时候,他里面写出来的这些事,尤其是《使徒行传》第十五章,你只要稍稍留意就会发现,记载的雅各说话方式很有意思。

**所以据我的意见,不可难为那归服 神的外邦人;只要写信,吩咐他们禁戒偶像的污秽和奸淫,并勒死的牲畜和血。因为从古以来,摩西的书在各城有人传讲,每逢安息日,在会堂里诵读。(《使徒行传》15:19-21 )** 什么叫做难为呢?他们本来应该谨守摩西的律法,因为他在这后面说,摩西的书在各城里有传讲,每逢安息日在会堂里诵读。所以他们应该谨守摩西的律法,这就是后来保罗和雅各之间的一场很长期的分歧,但不管怎么样,保罗得着他要得着的,保罗有牧养外邦人的基督徒,也有犹太人的基督徒,只是说那些教会都不在犹太人的区域。 保罗就建立起一套和神心意的得胜教会的观念,就写在《哥林多前书》、《哥林多后书》。

我在论证一件事,如果教会是在追求人数,那是非常危险的。如果教会里充满了很多人,我们却没有解决这些人信主的状况,那是非常危险的。教会是耶稣基督的身体,教会就不能藏污纳垢,一定要把每一个人塑造成耶稣基督的门徒。 教会是耶稣基督合一的团队,这才是关键,我们就像工厂里生产出来很多的产品,只有产品合乎要求,数量才有效。如果我们生产出来很多的产品,大量的都是不合格的产品的话,那产品的量再多也没有什么用。 前段时间我去给一个企业做培训,他们就把他们的图表拿出来,是质量管理图表,质量管理一定会谈到西格玛,有六个西格玛就相当于一百万个产品当中有三到四个次品。如果我们生产出来的产品99%都是废品的话,再多的量都是没有用的。质量管理是按照废品的比例来算的。 建造教会是爱神的一个会所,如果里面充满了绝大多数不爱神的人,神怎么可能住在这里?因为那不是按照神的心意建造的。所以教会不要追求人数,人数有就有,没有也罢,这样才能进到神的心意里。耶路撒冷教会是追求人数的教会,所以后来鱼目混杂,很多法利赛人在里面,什么样的教派都很多,都在教会里。 我所认识的传道人当中,有一个人到处去讲道,人们就慕名而来,因为他很有煽动性,很会说,然后就有很多基督徒都跑他这儿来。他的教会就面临极大的挑战,他请的传道人也是不同的背景,在教会里就起很多的纷争。我们在一起吃饭的时候,他就感慨他的教会怎么这么多的纷争,后来三个传道人就变成三个教会。 后来这三个教会依然带着这种观念,他们把人数多叫做复兴,这种追求很要命。我看到这样的状况比比皆是,我就嗤之以鼻,因为明显的不合乎神的心意。教会里讲道是很困难的,为什么呢?因为左边这排是赞成讲方言的,右边这排是不赞成讲方言的,这道咋讲啊?

我们要重新恢复一个观念,我们要建造合神心意的教会,要建造充满神荣耀的教会,建造圣洁、合一的教会。不瞒大家说,我的一些同工,他们真的很有爱心,如果照着我的脾气的话,有一些人是很难留下来的。这件事重要的点不在爱心不爱心上,重要的点在于合乎神的心意还是不合乎神的心意。 我们当中有一些弟兄姐妹可能会说,你给我讲这些做啥?我告诉你,我们对基督徒的要求从来没有降低过,如果你做不到,就愿你平安吧。有很多没有要求的教会你可以去,但是你能得着什么呢?不按照神的心意建造教会,那是要命的啊。我根本就不在乎人数,好多年前我就跟弟兄姐妹讲,教会就算剩下我一个人,我也照样按照神的话建造得胜的教会,绝不整一群乌合之众。 我们要开始重新改变,你能够留下来,你就在那百分之五之内,我们差不多是20:1的存活率,百分之九十五被淘汰。你是愿意在这里呢?还是在没有任何要求的教会里呢?你自己做决定。 是我们需要神,不是神需要我们,没有我们,神照样建立他的国。不是教会需要我们,是我们需要一个得胜的教会。我们都照着神的心意来行,这个地方就有神的同在,这个地方才能解决我们的问题。

有一个姐妹,好多年前跟着我信主,后来得了忧郁症,现在又回来了。她在好几万人的教会,她的小组长告诉她,让她去看心理医生,结果她来找我,知道这里有神的同在。教会连忧郁症都解决不了,那教会干啥呢?整一群人敲锣打鼓唱大戏吗?没什么用啊。如果你愿意去那样的教会,那愿你平安。 但是我们,定意要建造神得胜荣耀的教会,《圣经》上的应许都是我们的。不得胜是个要命的事啊!我以前追求人数,现在我不追求了,现在我只追求照着神的话建造和他心意的教会。当我们按照神的心意建造,神的同在就在我们当中。 你不要以为做个基督徒怎么这么难呢?他就是这样的。你读一读《希伯来书》,为什么你会觉得难?因为你有很多的事要做,不是吗?解决问题了吗?没有。财务状况没有翻转,很多问题没有解决。那我们今天把这个观念重新调整过来,照着神的话建造神的教会,如果我做的有不合神的话的地方,我绝对改。 你仔细揣摩一下,你来我们当中得医治、得恩典,不是因为你配得,是因为在你之前,有一群人按照神的话建立了得胜的教会,这里有神的同在,然后你来到这里,这里就成为祝福你的地方。 有的人傻啊,得了医治又离开,又去享受生活,结果又得病了,去医院看病,给了医生那么多钱。你在这里得了医治,怎么就奉献给神那么点呢?后来浑身疼得要死又回来了,还做见证。 我想这种见证只能见证一件事,就是这里真的有神的同在!但是你愿不愿意做像我这样的人呢?有人说,像你这么信主,这日子咋过呢?我还想问你呢,像你这样信主,日子该怎么过呢?哪个过得比较好呢?当然做得胜的基督徒,日子过得比较好,对不对? 愿神祝福大家!
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